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zzz sure why not

dr|z3d are you still jizzling with your map implementation?

dr|z3d working on displaying various data points here, maybe all router b/w tiers, congestion classes...

dr|z3d now I've got the work on making it extensible done, shouldn't be too difficult.

T3s|4 dr|z3d: all looking good on the 'Bo Derek' release ;D

dr|z3d *thumbs up* T3s|4

dr|z3d did you have a look at the updated /netdbmap T3s|4?

zzz Geezz asked for voice, not sure which channel he wanted

dr|z3d Play nice, albat, sorry, Geezz :)

zzz I'll undo it if you wish

dr|z3d it's all good

zzz nick isn't regged

zzz ok. didn't realize I had the power here, was kinda an accindent

dr|z3d if I didn't trust your judgment, you wouldn't be an op :)

zzz wasn't based on any judgment though...

dr|z3d no problemo. you're good.

dr|z3d working on anything?

zzz some non-i2p clusterfucks mostly. stats/zzz back after a day of downtime, eche forgot to restart it

zzz trying to combine SSU2 RI and ACK 0, have done it two ways and about to switch back to the first way, need a little more research

dr|z3d oops

dr|z3d prep work for prop. 165?

zzz no this is from back a couple weeks ago where orignal pointed out we were sending ACK 0 separately, will be more efficient if we combine it with our RI in one packet

dr|z3d ah, ok

zzz checked in some prep work and a TODO line last week

zzz could be either a RI block or a DBSM but there's implications if the pkt is lost, have to think thru it

zzz code... think... completely redo it... think... maybe switch back to first way. thats where I'm at

dr|z3d I know that routine only too well :)

zzz yeah open source allows more chances for detours than if I had a boss and a deadline, not always for the best

zzz also handing out 50% bad advice in #go-i2p-dev since I know nothing about go, but doing it anyway

dr|z3d well 50% bad is also 50% good :)

dr|z3d there's probably a lot of shared stuff in there, when you get passed the syntax.

zzz like, does len(nilptr) panic? return 0? -1? beats me. maybe your AI knows

zzz *past. yes, stare at enough code and it starts to make sense

dr|z3d > In Go, if you have a nil pointer, attempting to get its length using the len() function will result in a compile-time error.

dr|z3d You cannot apply len() to a nil pointer directly. The len() function is meant for array, slice, map, string, or channel types but does not accept pointer types. If nilPtr points to a slice or a string that is nil, you would first need to dereference it or apply len on the underlying type.

dr|z3d However, dereferencing a nil pointer will lead to a runtime panic.

dr|z3d So, if you try to take the len of a nil pointer (directly), you will get a compile error, and you would need to ensure that the pointer is not nil and that you are calling len on an actual slice or an array.

dr|z3d In summary, len(nilPtr) results in a compile-time error.

zzz from what I saw it would be a runtime panic. in that case hk has some work to do...

zzz thanks AI!

dr|z3d !

hk zzz: re: advice, not bad advice at all

hk in fact it was because of zzz that we discovered the bugs that were impeding our efforts to read router infos

hk :)

zzz yeah the struggle is to write low-level code that's robust in the presence of untrusted input from other routers, while being easy to identify bugs and unimplemented stuff at this stage

hk dr|z3d: re: len(), yup i've seen that head on. the workaround is to make sure it's initalized I think

zzz kinda hard to think 10 steps ahead, especially for ppl new to a language

hk zzz: yup, I think that's what "fuzz" is all about in our codebase; I was unaware what it was, but it's junk info meant to represent the worst case scenario and malformed input

hk zzz: indeed, anyone who can think 10 steps ahead is ahead in life all around. and that's true to i've only coded in go for

hk maybe 3-4 months

hk with prior experience in programming in general of course so it's not a clean comparison

hk I came with a C++ background so it wasn't hard to get used to go, go is very wieldy

hk that's true too*

hk So I was confused when I first saw #saltr

hk I had thought this whole time that dr|z3d was the developer for i2psnark

hk but it was actuall you, zzz?

hk actually*

hk and dr|z3d just maintains i2psnark+

dr|z3d it's a shared enterprise :)

dr|z3d mostly zzz on upstream these days.

hk nice nice

hk well, I dont know how you guys are gonna feel about this but

hk "competitor" is a strong word BUT...

hk I am creating an i2p-only cross-platform bittorrent client

hk will release soon with the name

dr|z3d bring it.

hk bring it on?

hk >:D

hk hahah

hk yeah it's still a work in progress, nothing compared to XD and definitely not i2psnark

dr|z3d there's already psi's implementation.

hk psi's implenetation?

dr|z3d plenty of space in the market for more implementations.

dr|z3d XD

hk ohhh

hk yeah yeah majestrate

hk so he's known as psi here gotcha

hk yeah this is

hk totally different market

hk like im talking... mobile

zzz sure, more the merrier

hk and everywhere, WITH A WEBGUI

hk im getting giddy talking about it but it may as well be vaporware until I have something to show for it

hk im just... I dont know what should be 0.0.1. It can download and it has a very shitty gui (just being honest), but it cant seed. it's becoming more resilient though

hk i dunno, ill keep you guys updated

hk more the merrier amen

zzz let us know when it's in a swarm and I'll join in and see how it's behaving

hk really? thanks

hk it's actually in a swarm right now but the download is finishing up

hk im testing with uh

hk Antenna Engineering Handbook, 4th Edition.rar from tracker2.postman.i2p/index.php?view=TorrentDetail&id=13621

hk I'm already testing on my end with biglyBT, it's alright but im gonna initiate another download

hk I can't get to get the client name to be broadcasted so it's gonna show up as "Unknown"

zzz yeah you need to implement extensions to get the name out there unless we hardcode it, which I can do

zzz why don't you stop the d/l and start over since you can't seed

hk oh yeah thats what i did

hk it's downloading now

hk you should see it

hk Unknown [-Pz-j---o--i---/-h--]

zzz have you picked a peerID string yet or is it going to change?

hk it uhh

hk it's buggy right now, it should've been set

hk -ET0001-

hk wait a minute

hk I have it set to rand

hk that makes sense

hk man it just stalled

hk it's not doing anything, just failing I have to restart

hk man this is embarrassing... lol

hk out of all the times for it to completely be in a complete free fall stall; it chooses now

hk at least you can see it in the swarm

zzz i'm not connected to you yet, may have joined just before you restarted

hk im gonna shorten the timeout time and recompile

hk I saw yours

hk hold on let me short the timeout to force faster reconnects

hk zzz: im tempted to release the source code right now

hk do you think that's advisable even if it's unfinished?

dr|z3d put it on git, WIP, you can say that in the README.md

hk yeah fuck it im releasing this today

hk fuck it

dr|z3d easier for you to develop then, if nothing else.

zzz if you want testers and/or helpers, that's how to do it

hk maybe it'll motivate me

hk yeah im doing it thanks guys.

zzz I'm a seed now, when you see it connect to me, holler

hk github.com/hkh4n/EepTorrent

hk Welcome to EepTorrent

hk nice ill let you know once I get postman's tracker working, I forgot to mention. im using cumlord's simp tracker

hk thoughts on the logo and font?

dr|z3d celtic knot, ok, font, needs work.

hk hm gotcha gotcha, maybe add gradient to have it fit with the logo

dr|z3d it's your project, don't mind me.

hk nono, I seriously appreciate the feedback

hk :D

dr|z3d when it comes to design, I'm opinionated. :)

dr|z3d not a huge fan of eep{anything} either, but that's just me.

hk hehe, respectfully I cannot concur. I think it's cool to have something directly reference i2p

dr|z3d maybe, but eep doesn't convey much at all unless you're already an i2p user.

hk that's true, it's subtle

hk At least it has torrent in the name, people looking it up will know

hk well now im

hk feeling a healthy pressure to develop this even faster

orignal what's up?

hk orignal: hello orignal, how are you?

T3s|4 hk: dr|z3d knows his stuff, so please consider his inputs carefully :)

orignal the attacker have given up after last commits ))

hk T3s|4: amen

hk orignal: good to see the attempts thwarted :D

orignal becase his attack has zero effect now

hk was this the leaseset spam attack?

orignal this is not first attemot

hk hm hm

orignal not only leasesets

orignal basically SYNs

hk wow

orignal we resend SYNACK for eacj stream

orignal and never get ack back

hk so how do you counter this? just drop connection?

orignal as reault a destination gets flooded

orignal only one resend for SYNACK

hk gotcha nice

orignal delete ECIES session if not etsblished quikly

orignal check LS for expiration time

orignal limit number of incoming connections

orignal previous attack

hk nice, so no side effect meaning it wont affect legitamate connections with these fixes?

orignal they send SYN withoiut LS

orignal and we tried to re-request it

orignal then I start dropping such stremas

hk very nice

orignal although zzz has some doubts that it';s completely rght

orignal then they started sending fake LS

hk hmm

orignal no waiting for new vaariant of the attack

dr|z3d free auditing.

hk ^

orignal something like this

hk a game of cat and mouse :)

hk kot and mysh

orignal mblw )))

orignal мыш

hk hahaha

hk there we go :P

orignal but keep in mind that no "male mouse" in Russian

orignal this word doesn't exist

orignal only мышь

hk ohh

hk is that unusual? like most other animals have female and male?

hk in the language of course lolz

orignal yes it's rare

hk interesting

orignal most of aother animals have male and female words

hk and you append it with ь to make it female right

orignal uusually -а

orignal like in most other langiages

orignal -ь is more rare

hk ohhh

hk nice nice

Geezz back, hi everybody

hk greetings Geezz

T3s|4 lols, quite certain that an average American could not differentiate a male and female even while holding both, but they surely know the difference between Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse ;p

orignal why can't they just say mousesse ?

Geezz *** is not reading, too tired ***

orignal but well no genders in English at all

Geezz french and german is better

Geezz for genres

Geezz *** is reading now ***

Geezz are

hk orignal: too hard ))

Geezz des

Geezz genitive for german

Geezz means mine

orignal french has 12 types of verbs

orignal if I remeber right

Geezz can't remember

Geezz too far

Geezz je parlé le frencé tre bien lol

orignal va chier ))

hk moi francais c'est petit bien

Geezz english is full of fuck

orignal moi or mon ?

hk true

Geezz french is more... floarl ;p

Geezz florar like we say

Geezz floral

hk orignal: mon I think, I think moi is different idk XD

Geezz si on savais mettre les cons en orbite, ils auraient pa finit de tourner

Geezz mine

Geezz me

orignal moi is like "me"

hk ohhhh lol

Geezz à moi, le mien

Geezz moi

Geezz sorry, talked to many wesh

orignal probably Russian is the worst lanaguage

Geezz i lost a bit my level

Geezz why?

orignal because simoly no rules ))

Geezz cirilix right?

Geezz oh

Geezz da mr bond da

Geezz :)

orignal I know that somthing is right but I can't say why it's right

orignal well there rules. tonns of rules

Geezz Mr is right

orignal but nobody knows them )))

Geezz i german :

Geezz verb can go anywhere

Geezz verbs*

orignal in Russian too

Geezz and there is B esset

orignal futhermore words can appear in any order

orignal only endings matter

Geezz original, you have an original langage ;)

Geezz pavroska lol

Geezz did you have the fèveka?

Geezz *(sorry lol)

orignal no it's not Russian

Geezz ik

orignal what is февека?

orignal there is no such word

T3s|4 lols: think of 'dog bites man' vs 'man bites dog' - noun - verb - object order matters in English

Geezz fève for galette des Rois

orignal T3s|4 "собака кусает меня" and "собаку кусаю я"

orignal see the difference?

orignal different endings of nouns and verbs

T3s|4 nope orignal - I cannot read Cyrillic

orignal sobak-a and sobak-u

orignal if in translit

orignal different endingds

orignal different cases of noun

orignal 6 nouns in Russian

T3s|4 wow!

orignal *6 cases

orignal and 7 in ukrainian

orignal 7-th in Russian is obsolote and not used anymore

T3s|4 interesting orignal - can any average Russian know they are speaking to someone from Ukraine within 2-3 sentences of the Ukrainian speaking? If so, I also assume the reverse is true...

orignal T3s|4 immediately

orignal Ukrainins speak Russian with accent

T3s|4 got it, thanks!

not_bob Russian is very diffficult. And, yes. If it sounds right, it's right. So many rules. I've been mostly playing it by ear.

orignal and nobody knows these rules ))

not_bob That's how it seems.

orignal it's just sense of language

not_bob Often it just "sounds rightt"

orignal that's why it's difficult

not_bob My progress continues.