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ok, restart on the one router cleared the family error
dr|z3d
I delete dubious RIs on contact from datastore and disk. it means they don't get cached, but we also don't get to look at offending RIs. dunno if that's optimal.
orignal
so what's the cause?
orignal
e.g. why family error stay forever
dr|z3d
orignal: the cause is cached RIs in canon (in ram), apparently. hence a restart fixes.
dr|z3d
so you've got a potentially dodgy RI cached on both the requesting router and the floodfill.
orignal
for how long was it cached?
orignal
that's the issue
dr|z3d
you'll have to ask zzz what his caching policy is.
orignal
yes my question was to him
dr|z3d
in + I'm pretty sure we just drop the offending RI.
orignal
the same question again
orignal
for how long
orignal
definitly it's a bug in cache
dr|z3d
3 routers tested, 3 valid 2RRY RIs reported.
orignal
still too low transit
dr|z3d
well, like we've discussed previously, it'll resolve itself in time. it's not worth expending energy worrying about. better to expend energy adding some per-router transit throttles.
orignal
if there is a bug in Java code it must be fixed
dr|z3d
caching RIs is by design. it's a choice, not a bug.
dr|z3d
zzz caches the crap, I drop it. choice. not bug.
dr|z3d
either way, for routers with fucked family certs, there's also a ban. normal. not a bug.
orignal
by design to chache for WEEKS?
orignal
I need explanation
orignal
for else is "cached"?
RN
180 days =|= forever. Just Sayin...
orignal
IPs? keys?
orignal
it is a bug
orignal
unless zzz confirms it's inteninal
orignal
chache for a hour make sense
orignal
for weeks doesn't
RN
it is a long time in context, but not 'forever'
RN
;)
orignal
not sure if it's really 180 days
orignal
rather than forever
orignal
again I don't see much improvements
orignal
it seems that the transit was for fleet of Chinesse routers
dr|z3d
we haven't hugely increased the transition from 2.6 -> 2.7 since you were last barking about the issue. maybe another 400 routers.
orignal
22% of 0.9.64 according to stats.i2p
dr|z3d
chinese routers smells like a botnet.
RN
so not even 1/4 of the net has updated yet
orignal
and this bug need to be investgated
orignal
otherwise an adversary can put the whole network down this way
orignal
by flooding with malformed versions of routers
orignal
if a malformed router remains in cache for long time can an advesary just overflow it?
orignal
for me any non-ivestgated bug is a potential hole
RN
so, how would someone else screw up your family key and turn it into an attack?
RN
I agree 180 days seems overkill. But the bug was your family key. ¿ No ?
orignal
say an advesary flood the network with fake routers with wrong family keys
RN
maybe a router could check for an error like yours when deploying a corrupted/wrong key and warn you.
RN
hmmm
orignal
if such routers remain in cache for longer time
RN
so fake routers - that's something already on the radar for mitigations.
orignal
he can force Java routers to eat all available memory quickly
RN
*** hushes up and listens for a while ***
orignal
that's why we need to undestand what force a router stay in cache for a long time
orignal
in my opinion it had to disppaer from there after not more than few hours
orignal
and since zzz days it was in memory only it's even worse
orignal
*sayd
orignal
*says
RN
your descriptions are getting better and less inflammatory each day. This is the way forward. ))
orignal
?
orignal
it's based on what zzz said yesterday
orignal
which my description was not clear?
RN
rational logical discussion of the issue is the way to convince others it is worthy of change.
RN
when you first brought this up, you were claiming someone was actively blocking 2RRY, now we are talking more about facts
RN
:)
orignal
it was not like this
orignal
I asked dr|z3d if 2RRY is banned on his side
RN
I recall
orignal
he comfirmed but was not able to tell why
RN
took a little investigation to find out why.
orignal
then my next guess it might be done inteninally
orignal
that's all
RN
yes, and that was counter productive
orignal
and it was cleared when idk explained
orignal
that's all
RN
now we see enough to understand what happened. yep.
orignal
and why do you think it was counter productive?
orignal
it might a case easily
RN
how you present the identified facts and the unknowns matters as much as the validity of the facts and the need to define the unknowns
orignal
then I only tried to explian that the problem is not with 2RRY itself
orignal
and such bug should not be abadonded with statement "you have screwd up the signature"
RN
I agree the time is probably too long, not convinced it is a bug, but definitely worthy of a proposal to shorten the time.
orignal
we still don't know what's the logic behind
orignal
and I doubt such logic was intenial
dr|z3d
what RN is trying to say, I think, is that being confrontational and hot-headed isn't the best approach to collective problem solving, orignal :)
orignal
dr|z3d about conspirology and haters
orignal
you haven't been here like 10 years ago or so
RN
I have
RN
been around since iip days
dr|z3d
actually, I have. longer than you, orignal, with a hiatus.
orignal
RN then please remind the story with kovri
orignal
dr|z3d I know you did
RN
I knew very little about how it worked back then. Now I understand a lot more, but still much more to learn.
dr|z3d
I know all about fluffy cookies.
orignal
but you took a long break
RN
many of us take breaks. That's the source of my nickname. ))
orignal
the lesson from that story that I didn;t know that there were so many haters of me among I2P guys
orignal
so, I wouldn't be suprrised about anything
dr|z3d
there's a good expression that should define how you treat haters, orignal.
dr|z3d
"grist to my mill".
RN
I think most of that hate comes from animal being yours, not everyone sees it as merely a proof of concept.
RN
good talk friends, but I have to afk for a while.
dr|z3d
there's another approach that works well. keep your politics and prejudices out of your code.
orignal
so if I suspected that someobe banned 2RRY because it's my routre had some grounds
dr|z3d
occam's razor.
dr|z3d
you fucked your family cert.
orignal
it could be just a coincendence
orignal
I often make bugs in the code
orignal
almost on every restart