~dr|z3d
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@orignal
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@zzz
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orignal
of whom?
snex
whoever that is
RN
I don't think orignal was talking to you snex, he was talking about zzz's tweet
dr|z3d
I think snex was replying accordingly, RN, though I might be wrong. maybe he was trolling orignal? :)
snex
i mean i DCed in between me saying its a retweet and him saying "of whom?" so its possible there was something in between
snex
but it would be pretty impressive if i could troll based on text i missed during a reconnect
dr|z3d
wouldn't put it past you, snex :)
dr|z3d
when it comes to trolling, orignal is both a ripe fruit and mostly virgin terrain.
dr|z3d
someone's got a soft spot for you, orignal
snex
in any case that is the tweet that zzz retweeted
dr|z3d
just to the right of the tattoo.. cake.i2p/file/MkuZlu5p6q_5K6JpUGaog7mvevWeZKMuOXhS9lFgt_BxOLDw2tG3/orignalgroupie.webp
dr|z3d
Ameno one of your new recruits, orignal?
orignal
I haven't see that zzz's retweet although I'm susbribed to him
orignal
but it would be nice to see I2P's oficial position
dr|z3d
official position is reverse cowgirl.
dr|z3d
*** winks at orignal ***
dr|z3d
one day I'll get a laugh out of you, orignal, one day... :)
orignal
finnaly saw it
dr|z3d
the image on cake? :)
orignal
no
dr|z3d
*tickle tickle*
orignal
tweet
dr|z3d
you know he's got a French passport, right?
dr|z3d
dual passports, French and UAE.
dr|z3d
and apparently it wasn't exactly a secret that the French govt. wanted a word. So why he chose to fly his private jet to Paris is anyone's guess.
Anomaly
hello
dr|z3d
sup A
Anomaly
how r u
dr|z3d
not bad, thanks.
Anomaly
thats good
orignal
also russian
orignal
but we are talking about I2P cennsorship and feedom of speech
orignal
rather than Durov
zzz
oh boy rrd4j guy recently pushed a big refactor and more. 3.10 still nowhere in sight. this might get messy.
orignal
what is 3.10?
zzz
rrd4j release
orignal
what's that?
zzz
a dependency of ours to create graphs in our console
snex
shouldnt a minor release not affect anything at all?
snex
or did java stop obeying version standards?
orignal
that's why I prefer to keep minimal number of dependencies
orignal
and keep reducing
zzz
we bundle it and have local mods, so I'm going to do a trial merge to see how it goes
zzz
agreed, we don't have a lot but this is one
snex
get them to pull your mods in so you dont have to worry about this
zzz
yeah we had the impression 3.10 was coming months ago so we were going to wait until then to submit our mods, but now he's doing big refactors and no release in sight
zzz
so maybe
orignal
you have bountycastle or somthing like this
zzz
no
orignal
for crypto
zzz
no
orignal
then what do you use? Java built-in only?
zzz
yes
zzz
plus the noise lib
orignal
do you use a lib? why?
orignal
not AEAD, HKDF and x25519 sepeartely
zzz
for noise? so we didn't have to write it all ourselves, of course
orignal
not much to write there
zzz
you were here when we both implemented NTCP2, no need to second guess our decisions years later
snex
use more dependencies. takes less time to audit updates than to rewrite and maintain things yourself
dr|z3d
let's have a look at what rrd4j is doing..
orignal
well maybe you have changed somthing since that time
dr|z3d
rrd4j refactor probably our fault, zzz. we lit the touch paper with the svg stuff :)
zzz
dunno. June 22: "I merged you sample code as a test if you don’t mind. If you are ok, I will release a version 3.10"
dr|z3d
yeah, and then he decided mongo needed some work, and it avalanched from there :)
dr|z3d
*** chuckles ***
dr|z3d
on the plus side, we've got an active developer with an active codebase who's receptive to patches. compare and contrast with jrobin where nothing happened forever.
zzz
sure. but after he said that I told him 'nothing more from us'. so may be time to check in with him
zzz
but first lets see how bad this merge is going to be
zzz
looking at it now
dr|z3d
yeah, I looked at it. doesn't seem fatal.
zzz
think so, but will take some care to not lose our mods in the process
dr|z3d
indeed. can we just drop the logarithmic classes altogether? we don't use a logarithmic axis anywhere, and probably won't, will we?
zzz
sure, at the cost of more local mods ))
dr|z3d
if you can persuade him he wants to include your puker in the codebase, that's one less battle. and maybe he'd be receptive to some of the rendering tweaks now's he's in the thick of a big refactor. dunno.
zzz
may be time to put the puker up on my githup
dr|z3d
or maybe we'll be fine just patching whatever he spits out, albeit with the extra work that entails.
zzz
but he seems to be a classic maintainer, take it or leave it, not so eager for battles or persuasion. me either.
dr|z3d
or option 3 is we just freeze the codebase and only patch where absolutely necessary. not like we're missing anything.
dr|z3d
yeah, getting puker up on github would be good, at least it's visible then.
dr|z3d
option 3 is where we're at with iframresizer.
zzz
i fixed it to use h and v for paths so better than ever
dr|z3d
yeah, it's a good little library that really does seem like a hand in glove option for rrd4j.
dr|z3d
aside, re iframeresizer. we're at the end of the road with the code because version5 is now gpl3, no non-minified script available. developer wants people to pay for it.
dr|z3d
(which is fine, it does everything we need)
zzz
so now you care about licenses?
dr|z3d
snarky.
dr|z3d
*** chuckles. ***
dr|z3d
it's not about the license, I'm technically in compliance with GPL3, it's about the access to unminified source. But I was talking as much about your compliance.
T3s|4
dr|z3d: not sure what continues to increase the number of Unknowns over time. On my other rig, running the latest 7+. I started with 10; 24 hours later I was at 519, far exceeding by more than 2X+ the next big 3 (US, Russia and Germany) combined
dr|z3d
unknown will vary.
dr|z3d
remember that when you receive new routerinfos, the geoip lookup doesn't happen immediately.
dr|z3d
and for U class routers, if you haven't communicated with them directly in the last few minutes, they'll also be flagless. I consider it fixed.
T3s|4
that's fine, but 'vary' implies up and down randomness. While sometimes I do see a slight decrease in Unknowns, but the larger, dominant trend is a relentless increase
T3s|4
alongside decreases in the Known ^Big 3 country routers
T3s|4
iirc, the US began with 300+ routers and finished with just above 100 in 24 hours. From my POV, human behavior cannot explain that
T3s|4
Similar for Russia and Germany
dr|z3d
T3s|4: hidden mode may introduce more variance than normal. not seeing anything like the behavior you're describing on several routers.