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dr|z3d > Potato milk is a vegan alternative made from boiling and blending potatoes, but it has a bad taste, texture and foam issue. Learn how to make your own potato milk and why you should avoid it.

RN love the "and why you should avoid it" part

snex in soviet russia, we stand in line for bread. in america, bread stands in line for us! what a country!

cumlord Powdered milk should be more of an option in USA

dr|z3d made me laugh, too. obviously the russians never got the missive.

RN powdered milk is nasty

orignal I remember this line for break in Feb 1990

cumlord I didn’t know that was a thing, doesn’t sound so bad actually

orignal *break

snex eat a raw potato and tell me its not bad

orignal *bread

dr|z3d > Potato milk is a plant-based milk option that is high in protein, fiber, and calcium, and has a low climate footprint.

orignal and it was the end of soviet union

RN I can eat a raw potatoe and tell you it isn't bad

RN I will even mean it...

RN I could eat some, maybe not a whole potato, but it is not nasty like powdered milk in water is

snex now eat a raw plantain

RN naw, those are supposed to be cooked

snex ill give you 1 monero if you post a video of you eating a whole raw plantain

cumlord Can I fry it

snex not if you want the monero

RN give me the leaves though.... I can cook something really tasty up in the leaves

RN he did say raw

RN I would take him up on it, but that means putting my carfully hidden face into the machine

RN snex, you ever tried durian?

cumlord I’d rather snort my powdered milk

snex yes

RN did you like it?

snex ehhh

snex its good in some preps

snex raw, no thx

RN that helps me gague what youre line of tastes {good|bad}

dr|z3d upcoming + dev build contains iconized leasesets in router logs on /logs with a link to the leaseset in the netdb. ETA 5m.

dr|z3d any time a truncated leaseset is referenced, you'll see a leading key icon.

RN interesting

RN not obvious to me atm what truncated means... key icon suggests it is a good thing?

RN I would assume truncated meant you didn't get all the info and it is invalid

RN maybe in context it is something else?

dr|z3d truncated meaning not the full b32.

dr|z3d 6 characters for RI (b64), 8 chars for LS (b32).

RN so the b64 is longer, so...

RN sounds truncated is not good

dr|z3d in the logs, dear.

RN broken connection or toaster

RN *** grumbles and starts the process of looking at the Plus router to see if RN is even on the recent build ***

dr|z3d both RIs and LeaseSets are now clickable.

dr|z3d previously only RIs and router ips were clickable, indicated with a leading icon.

RN that part I got, and like

dr|z3d so now we also have clickable leasesets.

dr|z3d latest version is -5+

RN I'm still on -0+

RN so doesn't feel so much like version shaming as when it is -197+ and I'm on -150+

RN ;)

dr|z3d :)

RN we are likely confusing a lot of users not familiar with I2P+ versioning conventions

RN LOL

RN but I would not be shocked to see I2P+ version 2.6.0-65498651987653+ for example

RN ;)

RN you do burn through the numbers when you are working on something

RN T3s|4, could probably just name the record making version number

RN heheh

RN just joshin ya

dr|z3d :)

RN also, you don't bump the version number every time, so... ;)

RN at lest not the one displayed n cosole

RN *In coNsole

dr|z3d I don't, not until there's something *significant* to bump for :)

dr|z3d it helps when someone's on sub-version x and there's something new or fixed in sub-version y. "Are you on -5+ yet?"

dr|z3d and in a couple of minutes or so, -5+ will be the baseline if you're updating in-console.

RN I get it. It makes sense to you. I'm just observing other sub sub versions in other softwares especially in dev versions. all good.

dr|z3d that is 2.6.5-5+

dr|z3d so you really are a bit behind the curve, if you're on 2.6.0

RN well, now that I've got all the connections to that router up and going, I'll be able to grab it. :)

RN Canon is not yet past 2.6.0 yet on release(including point reliease) yet, ¿ no ?

RN it makes sense if you are basing off pre-offical release of 2.6.5 Canon, It that is so, I was wrongly assuming the forthcoming "point release" fo Canon would be 2.6.1

dr|z3d if you're on the release path, wait a minute or so..

dr|z3d otherwise, /dev/ path already has it.

dr|z3d ok, both update paths have the update now.

dr|z3d canon is on 2.6.1

dr|z3d tunnel manager iframe fix.

dr|z3d canon, 2.6.1, +, 2.6.5

RN sorry yes, Canon is 2.6.1 my bad

dr|z3d I wanted to get ahead of the curve for + users who still get su3 updates, because 2.6.5 means they won't auto-update to 2.6.1

RN ah, so the accidental using Canon updater on Plus thing? (which I have done more than once)

dr|z3d if a later version of + is installed, then an earlier (published via news) version won't auto-install.

RN do you have your own news? I'm a little foggy here.

dr|z3d no

RN ahhh

dr|z3d news is the official canon news.

Anomaly hello

dr|z3d what up, Anomaly

Anomaly im ok how r u

dr|z3d not bad, thanks. how's your site coming along? are we visual yet? :)

Anomaly im getting there

Anomaly i added a new category on my navbar "Computer Topics" im debating the first topic i discuss is how to connect to irc2p, because when i first got in i2p i never even knew what irc was, until i saw on the router console it advertised irc2p which make me dig further.

Anomaly we all start somewhere

dr|z3d simplified.i2p isn't a bad site if you want some ideas.

Anomaly dr|z3d: yes ive seen that site i actually used it to help me with topics :)

dr|z3d good stuff :)

Anomaly i would also make much more substantial progress with my site if i was in a better living environment/situation, which i am pursuing.

dr|z3d good luck with that. I hope you resolve it expeditiously.

RN *** sends Anomaly positive thoughts about improving their situation ***

Anomaly oh yea ill undoubtably figure things out

Anomaly its ok guys :)

RN been there

Anomaly yea

RN it's not really ok, but you are survivor so will move on from the ashes

Anomaly yes :)

RN at least assuming your general "living enviorn" thing is similar to ones I have been through

Anomaly more or less.

Anomaly maybe i really dont know

Anomaly like the situation im in isnt the best but its definately not the worst. its hard to describe when i have to describe vaugley.

RN being broke, housing challenged, food challenged, these are real world problems for everone

Anomaly yea

RN don't feel like you need to prove youreslf, or explain de-anonymizing details...

RN you are not alone in the struggle

RN glad you found your way here. I hope I2P stuff can be a distraction from the crappier parts of life for you as you are learning about it.

RN adulting sucks. broke sucks. </soapbox>

Anomaly yea lol

RN so what are your latest I2P related challenges and successes?

Anomaly oh ive had lots and lots of successes these past 2 weeks i suppose

Anomaly lots ive learned :)

RN that is exciting

Anomaly it was when i got a vps and learned about keys and port forwarding in ssh and doing sshfs to work on my eepsite and znc

Anomaly yea like thats partly why ive made slow progress on my site was because i was all caught up on my vps and now ive figured out mostly everything i needed that last night i was able to work on my site :)

RN ah. that's all fun stuff

Anomaly yea lol

RN :)

RN just when you think....

RN hehe

Anomaly lol wdym "just when you think"?

RN much more you will learn about vps stuff and all the other stuffs if you keep at it

Anomaly oh yea i believe that

RN *** sounds like Yoda "much more will you learn" ***

Anomaly yea lol :)

Anomaly yea i am very lucky to have everyones help on here

RN not everyone on here is helpful

RN just double check stuff

Anomaly yea i suppose

Anomaly and then i guess now through my eepsite i also have the opportunity to help others

RN not to scare you, this place is not filled with evil hackers... but

RN well

RN you;ve seen more than three hours of how some of us talk

RN ;)

RN yeah, your content from what you told me, should help a lot

Anomaly yea i believe that too, being on an anonymous network.

RN good. we all need a helthy amount of "trust but verify" and/or "verify everything" kind of thinking

Anomaly lol what r u talking about

RN verification, critical thinking... didn't think I was being cryptic. LOL

Anomaly yea

Anomaly yea i believe and promote critical thinkingn

RN you don't even have to be that critical... just thinking

Anomaly can you imagine on the network database map you see a router running in north korea

orignal zzz, snark stopped I2CP session last night. Any ideas why?

dr|z3d feed him some logs, orignal

zzz check logs on both sides

dr|z3d *** hands zzz the channel crystal ball, just in case. ***

orignal where do I see snark's logs?

orignal on i2pd site it just closed the session

dr|z3d i2psnark/logs

orignal Aug 21, 2024, 1:59:41 AM ERROR [2CP Reader 2] lient.impl.I2PSessionMuxedImpl: [I2PSnark #64532(OPEN)]: Error occurred communicating with router: Error signing the leaseSet

orignal net.i2p.data.DataFormatException: Value is negative (-9)

orignal at net.i2p.data.DataHelper.writeLong(DataHelper.java:720)

orignal at net.i2p.data.LeaseSet2.writeHeader(LeaseSet2.java:533)

orignal at net.i2p.data.LeaseSet2.writeBytesWithoutSig(LeaseSet2.java:483)

orignal at net.i2p.data.LeaseSet2.sign(LeaseSet2.java:616)

orignal at net.i2p.client.impl.RequestLeaseSetMessageHandler.signLeaseSet(RequestLeaseSetMessageHandler.java:413)

zzz hmm

orignal maybe we found a bug

zzz you're still on 2.6.0-0, right?

dr|z3d you're asking him the wrong question. orignal, where did you download snark standalone from, and when?

orignal yes 2.6.0

zzz afaik he built from source

dr|z3d ah, right, fair enough. I'll shut up :)

orignal yes, I took i2p-2.6.0 source and built from source

dr|z3d pull the latest updates from repo, rebuild. some fixes in latest revision.

zzz no, lets track this down first drz

zzz lets not do 2 things at once

dr|z3d ok, I thought you were insinuating an update would fix. my bad.

dr|z3d it can't hurt to build a new version, though, can it? if the error's sporadic, it'll show up again (or not) with a new build. or?

zzz orignal, it looks like you sent me a lease to sign where all the leases are expired, the last lease expired 9 seconds ago

zzz so I try to write the expired field in the LS2 but it's negative

dr|z3d aside: weird how leaseset publication issues are turning up lately. still trying to figure out the root cause of postman's occasional LS repub failures.

orignal thanks

orignal will fit it

orignal but why does it stop session?

orignal *fix

orignal zzz, can you sign a LeaseSet without leases?

orignal I know the source of problem at my side

orignal this i2p routers runs over yggdrasil

orignal and it was disconnected at that moment

dr|z3d it stopped the session because no leaseset. no leaseset and snark is useless.

orignal fine but why it didn't try to reconnect later?

orignal why did I have to start it again from web console?

dr|z3d because snark doesn't anticipate handling that behavior yet.

zzz I don't think zero leases is legal, but I'd have to check the specs

zzz I will research why we don't reconnect and if we can do better

zzz but don't send an expired leaseset to me ))

dr|z3d when you see WARN .. Unable to update the leaseset, retrying in 30s, then you'll know it's fixed, orignal :)

orignal ofc I will fix it

zzz should I disconnect, or ignore it and throw away the LS request?

orignal and I should send a error message like "no network"

orignal disconnect and try again after 30 seconds

zzz we can just sit there waiting for a new LS, or we can disconnect, or you can disconnect

orignal or a minute

dr|z3d probably the latter, zzz, at least for x seconds / LS update attempts. after which, disconnect perhaps?

orignal the importnat thing that snark shoul keep reconnecting

dr|z3d and spew something out to the screenlog.

dr|z3d or just sit and wait for a new leaseset and print something to terminal/screen logs?

zzz A LeaseSet with zero Leases is allowed but is unused. It was intended for LeaseSet revocation, which is unimplemented. All LeaseSet2 variants require at least one Lease.

dr|z3d I think orignal's right, snark should attempt to remain up and wait for the right conditions to continue.

dr|z3d if no valid LS is found, the Dest indicator in the table footer could change to EXPIRED perhaps?

dr|z3d some visual indication that something's not functioning correctly, anyways.

orignal ha ha

orignal you know what actually caused it?

orignal massive internet outage in Russia ))

dr|z3d "outage"

zzz putin helping us find bugs, thanks putin!

orignal lol

orignal majority of ygg goest through node in Russia

orignal that's why

zzz orignal, you have any other logs after the error, so I can figure out why it didn't reconnect?

orignal sec

orignal no, only this error

zzz thx

zzz orignal, I suggest you leave the i2cp session open, don't disconnect for what is probably just a temporary failure to build a tunnel

zzz if you disconnect I have to make a new transient dest and start all over, even if I do figure out how to reconnect

orignal will do

orignal just don't send LS to sign

zzz right

zzz we don't send disconnects from the router for that either

zzz if you do want to send a disconnect eventually, I'd wait at least 5 or 10 minutes before giving up

orignal I need to inverstagate first why I even initiate this LeaseSet signature

orignal nevermind I know

orignal tunnel test failed and I'm trying to remove it from LS

zzz meduza.io/feature/2024/08/21/v-rossii-perestali-otkryvatsya-telegram-whatsapp-steam-discord-i-mnogie-drugie-servisy-chto-proishodit-neponyatno

zzz I have several RU connected peers so I guess i2p is doing fine?

orignal yes that's what I told you hour ago

orignal i2p is fine

zzz ok

orignal ygg had some issues

orignal and I saw record number of connection to my telegram mtproxy over i2p

darius well whistling to one an all

darius i've been a busy whittle beaver

darius undrss2l4ynldtgjjahsd2bx5oapy2vw75cowsusu5pncz76sqga.b32.i2p

darius oh woops that page goes nowhere

darius undrss2l4ynldtgjjahsd2bx5oapy2vw75cowsusu5pncz76sqga.b32.i2p/rss-button-using-div-corners.html

darius that should do the trick, tell me if its accessible

darius feedback will be taken on board, as it is a WIP

orignal zzz how do you define if all tunnels are expired?

orignal 10 minutes + threshold?

orignal seems it's bigger problem then just I2CP

zzz no. each lease has its own expiration, so it's the latest of all the leases

orignal but what do you compare it with?

orignal you current time?

zzz expires :: 2 byte time

zzz length -> 2 bytes

zzz Offset from published timestamp in seconds, 18.2 hours max

orignal do you just compare it or with some threshold?

zzz on the client side when creating and signing the LS?

zzz or when validating it after I get it from a ff?

orignal on snark side

orignal why did you decide that all leases were expired?

zzz on the snark side, I set published = now(); exp = max(all leases); expires = (published - exp) / 1000

orignal I'm talking about this I2CP problem

zzz since expires is an unsigned u16, I can't put in a negative number, so I died

orignal so, not threshhold

orignal see my point

zzz no, no threshold. all the leases you sent me were expired, i.e. < now()

orignal I can send leases that are close to expiration but not expired yet

orignal and they got expired on the way

zzz maybe, but it was 9 seconds. And I'm keeping time based on what you sent me in the handshake for the current time.

orignal but at the moment when I picked tunnels for LeaseSet they were not

orignal yes I have the threhold like 15 secs

orignal got it

zzz 9 seconds is a long time. maybe you failed the newest tunnel in your tunnel test, and all the others were already expired?

orignal so you use MY time

orignal not yours

orignal I know where 9 secs came from

zzz I don't know your CURRENT time, but I'm keeping time based on the time you gave me at the handshake

orignal but now I want to resolve the issue complemetly

zzz maybe you adjusted your time offset since then?

orignal if it was not 9 seccons but 9 milliseconds

orignal no, I update tunnel status once in 15 secs

orignal that will be fixed

zzz yeah but no use asking for a new LS if it's going to expire in 2 seconds

zzz it was definitely 9 seconds because I tried to put -9 in the expires field which is seconds of offset

orignal then I have to have a threhold on my side

orignal and actually tunnels stay longert

zzz I'll see what I do on the router side...

orignal 9 milleconds can also produce -1 sec difference

orignal please

orignal I need to understand what exactly I should include in a LS

zzz I don't see any threshold in my code

orignal it means you ask to sign LS wtih 2 sec expiration

zzz yeah we probably never do in practice, but should probably add something

orignal temporary network outage might cause this

zzz yeah but has never been reported

zzz but I'll add a little bit

orignal today is for the first time ))

orignal how much?

zzz yeah but that's on the client side. never had it reported with java router

zzz maybe 15 sec?

orignal too much

orignal I would set to 5

orignal I don't remeber when I start rebuild new tunnels instead expiring

dr|z3d up and running, throstle. now all you need is a hostname.

dr|z3d about that, seeing the occasional Local leaseset expired errors you put in the tunnel fix on one box, zzz.

orignal fixed

snex got a positive comment on that bigmagnet issue. if any of you have github accts please also thumbs up it

snex github.com/bitmagnet-io/bitmagnet/issues/303 for reference

dr|z3d good stuff, snex

dr|z3d eyedeekay also added a comment, let's hope the main developer takes an interest, leofidus doesn't look like the main developer?

snex yeah im not sure who that is

dr|z3d he's got a fair few repos, mirrored or otherwise, but not bitmagnet.

eyedeekay Well I've got a library that is expressly designed to make stuff like this as easy and foolproof as possible, I'd like to see somebody other than me use it

dr|z3d let's hope it gets noticed, eyedeekay :)

eyedeekay If I can figure out these darn unit tests matrix-org/dendrite will finally use it soon :)

snex the dream of every OSS dev: somebody other than me uses this

eyedeekay yeah pretty much

snex oo nice i was looking for an excuse to switch to dendrite over synapse

eyedeekay Oh yeah if I can land this it's about to get **really** easy

eyedeekay like "I can give you a zip with a config file and you can run it without changing anything and it will work right" easy

snex will it support running the server over both clearnet and i2p?

snex or just one or the other

eyedeekay Just one or the other right now, and it's not easy to work around because the connections are built automatically using SAMv3 so there's no local listener to forward

eyedeekay But because of my changes it's possible to build one that does on a fork and rebase back on their master branch without introducing conflicts by introducing it as a new demo application

eyedeekay basically you just copy contrib/dendrite-demo-i2p and examine the examples in cmd/dendrite-demo* and set up multiple listeners in a new contrib/dendrite-demo-multi-listener application

eyedeekay Unfortunately not everything you need is exposed outside of the dendrite package yet, so you have to do a fork-and-rebase instead of an embed-and-rebuild for now

eyedeekay to keep it up to date, that is

eyedeekay cinny github.com/cinnyapp/cinny can also be dropped directly into the eepsite docroot, giving people a non-Element webclient that works with it that is just as simple to set up

eyedeekay or pluginize, for that matter

snex i dont want people using me as a client lol

snex my server is private and i only have a few friends regged on it

eyedeekay Fair enough

snex everybody should self host ideally. ive played around in the database and whoever owns a homeserver can basically take your account over

snex way too many people trusting public servers like matrix.org

eyedeekay Yeah pretty much, that's why I thought dendrite looked appealing, dendrite+SAMv3 under the right conditions could just be pluginized and selfhost automatically in Java I2P

eyedeekay That was sort of my endgame for ShellServices a few years ago but I... sometimes move slower than I anticipate

eyedeekay If somebody were to pluginize cinny, it could live on the router console with the other apps and not be a client for others

orignal zzz but I don't pass you my timestamp

orignal that's you who assigns it

orignal I pass only tunnels

snex id rather see more apps be independent entities rather than plugins. i dont want to always be hitting my router console to do stuff. i want to be able to run things on separate devices entirely sometimes (like i do with snark)

eyedeekay Should be just as easy if you want to do that, ShellServices just run an application and manage it's lifecycle, anything can do that, dealer's choice

eyedeekay I'm mostly just thinking about paths to packaging it that I can get started, I2P Plugins are one of the easier ones for me to do for obvious reasons

orignal looool

orignal seems I always request LS1 )))

dr|z3d yeah, plugins are good for people that don't want the hassle of setting up a separate webserver and all the rest of it.

eyedeekay Zip files with static go binaries, Jpackage images, Snaps, Docker images, and AppImages are also pretty easy for me to make and distribute but harder for me to guage well they actually help people

eyedeekay debs and rpms, a lot more work if you want to do them right, a lot less useful if you take shortcuts

snex docker++

snex i love nothing more than spinning up a new le-potato and having a docker-compose for the service i want

eyedeekay sure, docker's very helpful at that

orignal hence my I2CP always used ElGamal

dr|z3d sounds like you're identifying and fixing a bunch of issues there, orignal, all thanks to i2psnark.

Irc2PGuest2241 eyedeekay: you should only distribute zip files. anything else is somebody's problem. if crazy people really want rpms let them make rpms

snex lol bad advice

eyedeekay Honestly debs and rpms are usually too much trouble to be worth it but a lot of the ones in the first list are barely different from zips

snex at the very least services should have supported docker containers

snex its easier to maintain a docker than keep documentation up to date

snex github does it all for you even

snex i have 211 pulls on my monero payment gateway and the only person who has ever asked me for support was doing a manual install

orignal zzz, I'm confused

orignal I request leaset message

orignal then I can get LS1 or LS2 back

orignal and it seems that I don't have a way to request particular one

orignal but you menationed that timestamp comes from me

orignal so what timestamp do you use?