~dr|z3d
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darius
today was not terrible, 1 thing... actually 2 see if font hinting(?) can be turned off in css, see how to tell the difference between when swap space or ram is being using for a tmpfs. 4 research at another time. bye 4 now
darius
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dr|z3d
*message delay as low as 2ms.
RN
do you have a word of the day for us dr?
Afkaid
RN, about Bill Gates ?
RN
no, that's Nacho
Afkaid
:)
RN
dr|z3d, was doing a bit with a word definintion a day, but I think he stopped
dr|z3d
you want a word of the day, RN?
dr|z3d
> you want a word of the day, RN?
RN
seems a bit of tunnel churn
RN
sure. :)
dr|z3d
OK. Today's word is: scrofulous
dr|z3d
One might determine Trump is a scrofulous clown. Or not.
dr|z3d
(having a diseased run-down appearance; morally contaminated)
dr|z3d
or simply put: corrupt.
RN
hehehe
dr|z3d
:)
dr|z3d
got a lovely ring to it, scrofulous.
RN
indeed
RN
quite fun in the mouth
dr|z3d
a quality insult.
RN
and I litterally just used on on a call with someone
RN
Σ:Đ
dr|z3d
haha
RN
very useful word
RN
;)
dr|z3d
:)
dr|z3d
lulz all over: ramble.i2p/f/Art
dr|z3d
someone's been busy.
orignal
gents we need to do something with overloaded tunnels
orignal
it happens more and more often due to the situation with youtube in Russia
orignal
hence it's often one tunnel produces more transit than all other tunnels
dr|z3d
distribute packets over all connected tunnels, check latency while connected, drop/cycle underperforming tunnels.
zzz
if you do that everything arrives out of order and streaming window sizes collapse, making it worse
zzz
that's why we don't spray across all the tunnels any more, we did that 15 years ago
zzz
to do it right you need multipath-aware streaming protocol
zzz
brb
dr|z3d
so, multipath-aware then. :)
dr|z3d
that'll be why orignal's getting excited about youtube then :)
zzz
meduza.io/en/feature/2024/08/08/youtube-has-suddenly-stopped-working-in-russia-meduza-s-readers-describe-how-they-re-handling-the-loss-of-the-world-s-most-popular-video-streaming-service
dr|z3d
how's your yellow tunnel fixup looking?
dr|z3d
I just noticed the MR.
dr|z3d
novayagazeta.i2p/articles/2024/08/08/anger-and-confusion-as-youtube-reportedly-stops-working-for-many-users-in-russia-en-news
dr|z3d
apparentyly rutube.ru is the new youtube.
dr|z3d
zzz's "yellow tunnel" patch now available in the + /dev/ update path.
dr|z3d
yeah, orignal, tell everyone not to worry, rutube has you covered.
dr|z3d
*** grins. ***
orignal
so what we need to know
orignal
if partcular partcipant is capable to handle high loaded tunnels or not
orignal
youtube doesn't work well there a week
orignal
that's why people use solutions
orignal
no rutube is not a new youtube
orignal
nobody uses it
dr|z3d
that's why I was grinning :)
orignal
I know people run some youtube access services in i2p
dr|z3d
yeah, youtube proxies are tricky right now, youtube keeps trying to block them.
orignal
not proxy
dr|z3d
see github.com/iv-org/invidious/issues/4498 for example. it's an ongoing issue.
orignal
I forgot the nname
orignal
yes, that one
dr|z3d
you're thinking of invidious.
dr|z3d
which is a youtube proxy.
orignal
yes, and few people run it now
dr|z3d
yes, and it has recurring issues because youtube don't like it and keep trying to block it.
orignal
some people run just ordirary http outproxy
dr|z3d
sure, youtube over outproxy should work.
orignal
that's why too many high loaded tunnels recently
dr|z3d
well if they're all attempting to use stormy's outproxy, that's probably why.
orignal
ha ha. maybe
dr|z3d
didn't we have a discussion a while back about i2pd supporting multiple outproxies on a single tunnel def?
dr|z3d
tunnel def/port.
orignal
maybe, but not implemnted yet
dr|z3d
now would be a good time to think about it.
orignal
easy to implement but don't have time for everything
dr|z3d
3 viable proxies on the network, distribute (youtube) traffic over all of them and maybe youtube playback will improve.
orignal
but they all wtill go thourgh the same tunnels
dr|z3d
true. what about tunnel length randomization. does i2pd support that yet?
orignal
yes
dr|z3d
something to recommend then, perhaps. 1 hop tunnel with +0/1 randomization.
orignal
inbound.lengthVariance
orignal
outbound.lengthVariance
dr|z3d
also, zzz seems to be hinting at this as a possible improvement: lwn.net/Articles/544399
orignal
old stuff
dr|z3d
it might be old, but it's not implemented in i2p yet :)
orignal
it wouldn't help too much
orignal
because you usually abuse all tuunels in the pool
dr|z3d
if it could get a sense of available bandwidth and latency from each tunnel in the pool, maybe it could deliver better streaming performance?
orignal
you usually don't need too much load
orignal
only sometimes
orignal
so we need a way to build tunnels like this
orignal
that wouldn't put down a tunnel particiapnt
dr|z3d
yeah, it's a tricky one, but if we can get participants reporting their capacity and latency more or less in realtime, maybe we can do something. dunno if that's viable.
orignal
I like zzz's proposal
orignal
to request bandwith for a tunnel
orignal
and router must reply if it can make it
dr|z3d
sure. it's a good start.