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dr|z3d zzz: when you're about, can you have a look at the getListHTML method in I2PSnarkServlet and check it doesn't need the same Java21 form submit treatment. not entirely sure, but I have a hunch it might be causing occasional issues with torrent edits for clearnet torrents on form submit.
dr|z3d actually, not sure it's related to java21, as I think Gid_ mentioned he was on Java17, so hmm.
Gid_ 17.0.10 OpenJDK Runtime Environment
not_bob zzz: How often is build success recalculated in I2P?
RN not_bob, I think it is a 10 min average
not_bob That appears to be the case. I'm polling every 5 min and the average is the same every other poll.
zzz dr|z3d, doubt related to 17/21, have a link to torrent file?
dr|z3d zzz: one sec, let me upload it.
dr|z3d I thought the issue might be related to retaining clearnet trackers for display purposes, but that shouldn't change the hash.
zzz right it's gotta be something nonstandard inside the info part
dr|z3d couldn't see anything obvious when I uploaded it to torrenteditor.com/edit.php but I didn't look very hard.
zzz look harder :)
dr|z3d you found something already?
dr|z3d oh, the disappoint!
dr|z3d you had me going for a second there.
zzz but the way we store/rewrite torrents after edit, nonstandard stuff will get lost, which is a bug or at least a flaw
dr|z3d well, if it's just metadata it shouldn't change the hash.
dr|z3d the question is, are you failing to edit trackers in canon?
zzz the infohash is over the 'info' part. stuff outside 'info' does not change the hash. stuff inside 'info' does
dr|z3d I added a temporary stacktrace when the hash doesn't match, dunno if you want that?
zzz nah
dr|z3d okies
zzz you could do some sort of binary/hex diff of old vs new to know for sure
zzz but it's almost certainly the private:0 in the original
zzz that won't be rewritten after edit
dr|z3d well, it's not saving out the new torrent in snark, so hard to compare.
dr|z3d private:0 probably needs to be retained then?
zzz yes it's inside the info
zzz we'll remember/rewrite private:1
zzz but not private:0 because non-private is the default
dr|z3d can't we just rewrite the entire info section as-is to avoid any weirdness?
zzz the flaw/bug is we're not storing the original in-mem
dr|z3d ok, sounds like an easy fix then.
zzz not really?
dr|z3d oh :(
zzz this also screws up metadata via DHT, so if you tried to load the metainfo via a magnet link from a snark client you'd get the same mismatch
dr|z3d yeah, figures.
zzz you might coax an edited file out of our metainfo CLI, or it might die the same way, not sure
dr|z3d created by: Transmission/3.00 (bb6b5a062e) <-- offender.
dr|z3d I mentioned to Gid_ the workaround which is: torrenteditor.com
dr|z3d I guess the quickest fix is just to check for the presence of private, either 0 or 1, and copy it over.
dr|z3d And according to that editor, the private status is metadata but it will change the torrent hash if modified.
dr|z3d > created by: Transmission/3.00 (bb6b5a062e) <-- offender.
dr|z3d > I mentioned to Gid_ the workaround which is: torrenteditor.com
dr|z3d > And according to that editor, the private status is metadata but it will change the torrent hash if modified.
dr|z3d > I guess the quickest fix is just to check for the presence of private, either 0 or 1, and copy it over.
zzz verified via cli
zzz java -jar i2psnark.jar metainfo -m blahblah linuxmint...
dr|z3d verified as in the same infohash "corruption" ?
zzz different infohash. try it
dr|z3d I believe you - your thesis must be correct, throwing away private:0 on the save is bad.
zzz it's fixable but annoying
dr|z3d thanks, let's have a look at that.
dr|z3d comment typo -> dictonary
dr|z3d still seeing infohash mismatch on new standalone, recompiling after distclean just to be sure.
dr|z3d yeah, infohash mismatch error persists, zzz.
zzz hmph. worked for me on CLI, but the web edit is different I guess. will take another whack, probably not today though
dr|z3d ok, thanks for taking the time, anyways, no doubt you'll make Gid_ and his atypical torrents happy :)
snex why should moderators be paid
dr|z3d I suspect the argument is something along the lines of "because they do all the work, without which the site would cease to exist"
snex they dont do any work
snex the work is writing the code, maintaining the servers, and such
snex these people are users
dr|z3d No, that's minor in the scheme of things. The work is maintaining sub-reddits, helping users, squashing spam and trolls. That's the mainstay of the work.
snex but thats not work
snex you choose to create a subreddit
dr|z3d If work = invested time, then it's work.
snex ok then i should get paid for taking a shit
dr|z3d how does that help anyone?
dr|z3d (except you)
snex ok then i should get paid when i go work a soup kitchen
dr|z3d if you work in a soup kitchen on a voluntary basis, pro bono, that's up to you.
dr|z3d now, if you working in a soup kitche, pro bono, made someone obscenely rich, perhaps you'd think twice about offering your own services for free.
snex modding a subreddit is voluntary
snex always has been
dr|z3d indeed it is, and it's a reasonable argument to suggest that moderators never became moderators with the expectation of being paid. if they did, they were naive at best.
snex i mean they never interviewed at reddit offices with reddit employees
snex never signed any contract
snex this is like saying you deserve compensation for being an op in #saltr
dr|z3d the issue as some see it is that huffman is getting obscenely rich on the backs of others' work. I can understand the resentment, but if you don't like the arrangement, then as a moderator, down tools, disappear, do something else. let the site fall apart.
snex reddit is already falling apart
snex and these entitled mods are largely the reason
snex they ban anyone who doesnt toe the leftist sjw bullshit line
dr|z3d being an op in #saltr is not quite the same thing.. show me someone who's directly benefiting financially from #saltr and I might agree.
snex everyone who uses i2p benefits
dr|z3d not to the tune of a 200million dollar compensation package. not the same thing :)
dr|z3d it'll take time, but reddit will be the new myspace.
snex you have no idea what kind of money some people are making here
snex could be billions in dark markets
dr|z3d not the same thing.
dr|z3d that would be equivalent to resenting huffman being rich because he had shares in nvidia.
snex no? dark markets can only exist on i2p with the benefits of what you do here in this channel
dr|z3d yeah, still not the same. I might provide you with a road to drive on, but you need to BYO car.
snex reddit provides the website. you need to byo subreddit
dr|z3d and darknet markets is an interesting comparison which illustrates the difference between DNM's and reddit.
dr|z3d I'm pretty sure that most moderators on DNMs do actually receive compensation, not least because of the risk they undertake.
dr|z3d I'm not disagreeing with your general position, notwithstanding. But I understand the resentment of some in the reddit community.
snex moderating a subreddit is like being a dungeon master. wotc provides the gaming rules. you use them to host games. wotc doesnt owe you anything for this work you do
snex theyre resentful because theyre useless commies
snex they are mods because they get off on the power trip
dr|z3d it's naive to think that any website that offers user-based forums is anything other than a money-making exercise when it's run at the scale of reddit.
dr|z3d it's the old addage, "if it's free, you're the product".
snex wotc publishes books to make money
snex if im such a good DM that 20,000 people want to join my campaign, wotc owes me nothing
snex you are perfectly free to mark your subreddit as private and then charge people for invites
dr|z3d I doubt you are, there's probably something in the ToS that explicitly prohibits that.
snex not like theyd have any real way to check
dr|z3d only takes one disgruntled subscriber to blow the whistle.
snex "hes lying. we have 19,999 subs that testify"
snex but im not seeing anything that prohibits this annyway
dr|z3d well, anyways, I don't think we're going to resolve much here. bottom line, don't like the compensation of the CEO, don't like where reddit's heading? abandon ship.
dr|z3d and leave your conttributions for the AI overlords to train on. that's as much of a legacy as you can expect.
dr|z3d maybe the future will be federated, maybe not.
snex short
zzz maybe short later but not today
snex 1 year puts
zzz there's no lockup on the directed share program (prospectus p. 228)
zzz and it's finally open at $50
dr|z3d you should know zzz was a trader previously, snex. he knows things. :)
zzz yes I did briefly work on wall st. long ago but as a tech guy, not a trader...
snex zoomed way past 50 already lol
zzz but doesn't mean I don't have some stories...
dr|z3d ah, I stand corrected. I thought your middle names were gordon and gecko. :)
dr|z3d anytime you want to share some stories, we're all ears :)
zzz how much karma does eyedeekay have
dr|z3d got it coming out of his ears, if you mean reddit karma.
snex i worked in fintech but doing payday loans
zzz these were the directed share rules:
zzz Tier 1 will include certain
zzz users and moderators identified by us who have meaningfully contributed to Reddit community programs. Tier 2
zzz will include users who hold at least 200,000 karma and moderators who have performed at least 5,000 moderator
zzz actions. Tier 3 will include users who hold at least 100,000 karma and moderators who have performed at least
zzz 2,500 moderator actions. Tier 4 will include users who hold at least 50,000 karma and moderators who have
zzz performed at least 1,000 moderator actions. Tier 5 will include users who hold at least 25,000 karma and moderators
zzz who have performed at least 500 moderator actions. Tier 6 will include all other eligible users and moderators.
dr|z3d what do the tiers signify? priority purchasing, discounted pricing, or something else?
snex if you were one of these users, what price would you instantly buy @ ipo and sell into market
zzz better tier = more shares
dr|z3d ah, ok
zzz directed share ppl would get chance to buy certain number of shares at the IPO price ($34) and can sell w/o restriction (lockup)
zzz I've done a D.S. before with a lockup and then gotten crushed when I forgot about the lockup expiration date
dr|z3d so after the lockup expired, the share price tanked and you got burnt?
snex our joke ass company gave us all options at IPO + a bit and we instantly tanked after IPO and never went up
dr|z3d speaking of lulz, this one's worth keeping half an eye on: teddit.i2p/r/wallstreetbets
zzz ok idk has 3708 post karma and 16857 comment karma, even if those add together he would still have been in tier 6
zzz might have gotten some crumbs but thats about it
snex when was this plan announced? farming post karma is pathetically easy
zzz March 11
snex ah, so hard to do it that fast
snex but if you been doing it for years... lol
zzz and had to have joined before 1/1/24
zzz in general, if you have a chance to get some IPO via a D.S. program or your broker, give it a whirl. It's a wild ride but it works out more often than not, at least short term
zzz but it's more for amusement, hard to get enough shares to make anything significant
zzz and if you do get all the shares you ask for, that means the IPO is a dog and you're in trouble
snex used to be, you made a profitable company and then did an IPO to expand. nowadays, you make a shitty company that expands but cant make money, so you IPO to scam a bunch of dumbfuck investors
zzz some are, some aren't, the trick ofc is knowning the difference
snex im not sure that even matters anymore. fed prints so much money that you can pump a garbage company forever
snex this only ends when the dollar itself dies
zzz sure, gotta keep your head down, try not to get crushed
snex i just avoid stocks entirely other than maxing IRA for tax break
snex and i put all of that into peter schiff mutual funds lol