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orignal ask them why think gostcoin uses SAM rather than built-in i2pd?

orignal snex no overlap because Spagni was complete idiot

orignal furthemore they know for sure that we are not going to talk them

orignal for the reason

orignal thieves are always thieves

snex u seem mad

orignal me?

snex ya

orignal why?

snex like something personal

orignal no

orignal everybody here knowns

snex i know governments like to make shit up

orignal that i2pd team will never work with monero guys

zzz I asked them 'why you working for years to bundle a project that won't talk to you?' answer was 'well we made up last week'

orignal government?

snex yeah you are talking about being a thief and such

snex who stole

orignal Spagni did eveything to break all possible relationships for future

zzz they are strangely clueless

orignal snex that thief's name is Ricardo Spagni

snex right what did he steal

orignal but he was supported by the rest of the Monero team

orignal i2pd

snex ??

orignal that's what he was trying to do

orignal starting claiming that i2pd is his while I was away for some personal reasons

orignal forged invoices were much later

orignal I think he has some personal mental problems

snex being extradited will do that

orignal anyway even if he is not in Monero anymore, the rest of Monero is the same

orignal btw, does somebody has an idea where it comes from? github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/issues/2025

orignal another efford to link aganst libi2pd

zzz disagree, we've had positive experiences at their cons in last few years, everybody is very nice and sincere

zzz fluffy is long gone

orignal zzz,you but not we

orignal what is this about? github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/issues/2034 ?

zzz don't recognize the nick in 2025, but in 2034, 'preland' is the current guy trying to bundle, that I'm trying to get to switch to SAM. Don't recognize the others

snex theres a lot of people out there doing work who dont join chats for either for whatever reason

orignal yes I though that preland is one of Monero guys

orignal based on the style of his post

zzz but in particular I think he's one of the fringe guys, not one of the core

zzz just a guess

orignal I had to disagree with you, I don't see any positive changed in thier attitute since Spagni's departure

zzz that's fine, just sharing my thoughts after several in-person meetings

orignal snex and I intentinnaly saved the evidence in spearate branch github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/tree/cryptopp

zzz and I think eyedeekay would agree or he wouldn't keep going back to their cons

orignal maybe

orignal I use monero wallet

orignal but that's all

zzz these coin communities are much much larger and more spread out than we are

orignal i2p-zero is not that zlatinb proposed few years ago?

orignal right, few people came from gostcoin community

zzz similar to what became our easy-install bundle, yes, but I believe i2p-zero came first

zzz iirc

orignal I remeber they had an issue on github about this

orignal github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/5070

orignal found one

orignal snex just for you

orignal explains whole story in 2 words

zzz what do I know, their code controls $3 billion in assets, we're over here playing in our sandbox

zzz it might be that monero is the real thing and zcash are the clowns, not the other way around

snex whatever you think about monero, zcash are definitely clowns

orignal zcash?

orignal what's with them?

orignal i2p has completely different mission

zzz lots of zcash drama but don't understand any of it

orignal they use rust now. that's all I know

orignal don't follow them

orignal yggdrasil project is much close to our project than all cryptocurrencies

snex transparent tx by default, tx fees go to devs, there was a big pre-mine

zzz trying to both claim privacy and suck up to govts and exchanges, tough to do both

snex pretty sure you need an asic to mine it

orignal I think zzz has some personal things against zcash like me against monero

snex just a standard scamcoin

orignal str4d related

orignal in my opinion, cyrptocurrencies is not main target for I2P

zzz sure but independent of that they're trying to have it both ways, they just ran zooko out for some new guy

orignal because the bottlneck of cyrptocurrencies is not traffic

zzz sure but on the margins, coins can bring in a lot of users for us

orignal but the way to exchange to fiat

snex i2p should just be part of the kernel network stack. solve all these issues

orignal Putin will do much for bringin people that all cryptocurrencies

zzz the easiest way to grow the net is to get i2p support into apps. obviously we suck at marketing

orignal I disagree, we are doing good

orignal it depends on definition of "market"

snex to get people on i2p, there has to be something here they cant get elsewhere

orignal I2P works when evething else doesn't work

zzz as tor always points out, a diverse user base is a strength

orignal snex yes and that's what Putin is doing

zzz each application brings in a different set of users

orignal to push people oward I2P

snex how has putin done that

orignal by censorship

snex secret good guy putin

orignal Tor doesn't work. most VPNs

orignal but I2P works withput any problems

snex usa is doing it too. these retards voted to ban tiktok and "any site the president deems a threat"

orignal tiktok morons didn't add proxy support

orignal for years

orignal unlike toelgram

orignal telegram wants to fight with censorship

orignal tiktok doesn't

orignal my view of the sistuation

orignal there is enough interest to i2p

orignal but people disappointed from speed

snex number 1 thing people ask me when i talk about i2p is "yeah but what can i do there?"

snex and i dont really have a good answer

orignal create a censorproof link

snex normies cant create a clearnet link

orignal it's not for sheeple

snex maybe it should be

snex they got a lot of bandwidth not being used

orignal it's for people who provide service for sheeple

snex but imagine if i told them "you can gamble with cryptocurrency without government spying on you"

orignal they can also place a site they can't in clearnet

snex or something similar

orignal any smart person

snex "you can do CP stuff" isnt a selling point to anybody i know

orignal would ask "how I2P would help me to cash out cryptocurrency?"

snex but i do know a lot of people who like gambling

orignal why CP?

orignal you can spead something negative against th govement

snex also not a selling point where i live

orignal see my animal.i2p

orignal could it exists in clearnet?

orignal without receiving multiple abuses a day?

snex i see people say this stuff on clearnet

orignal they do but not many sites

orignal gambling is another story

orignal I'm always wondering why there is no online casino yet

snex nobody wants to trust custody in some shady darkweb casino, and its hard to run it without custody

snex ive got some ideas on how it can be done, but its a lot of work and to make it worthwhile youd have to use javascript which again a lot of people here hate

not_bob bet.i2p exists.

not_bob It's mostly proof of concept, but it does work and I've used it.

snex i feel like its too easy to do timing hacks when you bet on the blockhash

snex monero.vegas (clearnet) will generate a random hash, encrypt it, send you the encrypted version, then XOR the hash with the incoming txid and send you the privkey of the encrypted hash along with the result

snex but the backend stuff isnt the important part. whats important is slapping a frontend on it

snex people want to see spinning wheels and flashing lights and shit

snex or feel the rush of the next card being peeled

snex i see they have a lottery on here.. thats new

snex i mean at the bare minimum have a big "countdown to next drawing!"

not_bob Yep, that's exactly what nwe need.

not_bob Well, not need.

not_bob But, it would be a fun toy.

snex my idea was "moneroulette" where youd have a grid of hex values to pick various bets from

not_bob What determines the end values?

not_bob I like the idea of using some soft of outcome that can be verfied.

snex so txid by itself can be gamed, so you have to combine it with something else, which is why monero.vegas does it how they do

not_bob Hmm

snex blockhash is fine for a lotto but for individual bets you dont want users to be waiting

not_bob Yes, true.

not_bob Alas, I'm off.

snex cya

snex id also like to see sports betting. at first you probably just want to mirror vegas odds but when volume goes up you can have auto moving lines which isnt hard

snex this lotto also needs to not reveal current players lol. makes it way too easy to game by coming in at the last second and buying enough tickets to give you an edge