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T3s|4
dr|z3d: Awesome! You found it and fixed it with your reproduction of HM. Back in business on -11+ with 83324aad (Build date: 2022-04-03 01:31:30 UTC). Thanks for your efforts dr|z3d :D
T3s|4_
dr|z3d: both laptops fixed and i2p is working correctly. I'll fix my Arch on ZFS install later today :D
T3s|4
dr|z3d: Arch on ZFS now also fixed and working correctly...thanks!
genka
my opinion about i2pd and i2p+: if you want to give fast transit tunnels to network on the low-end device like raspberry pi, you should use i2pd cuz i think with i2p+ cpu will be bottleneck, not the network
genka
it's about participation to the network
genka
what do you think, dr|z3d
dr|z3d
T3s|4: great, happy it's back to business as usual!
dr|z3d
genka: that's possible, I guess you'd need to do some tests to see how onerous java is.
dr|z3d
how's your russian router performing?
mesh
modern garbage collectors are really kind of magical
mesh
it's sort of amazing how good G1GC and ZGC and Shendoah are
dr|z3d
yeah, but how's your Russian router performing? :)
dr|z3d
did the issue with mostly russian peers sort itself out?
mesh
I don't think people realize how bad it used to be with the Parallel and CMS
dr|z3d
oh, my bad, confused you with genka.
mesh
dr|z3d: I'm not genka. I just thought I'd share some appreciation
dr|z3d
should have known..
dr|z3d
mesh = gc. my bad :)
genka
dr|z3d: 4703 known routers, 260 transit tunnels, 365M/2048M ram
genka
dr|z3d: issue is gone
mesh
genka: what gc are you using?
genka
mesh: zgc
mesh
I wonder, is the reason why I never get past 2800 routers due to hidden mode?
mesh
genka: floodfill?
genka
mesh: nah
mesh
oh yeah it's your pi
genka
mesh: yeah :)
genka
mesh: ah no
mesh
it's interesting how every router has a different view of the universe
genka
mesh: nono, my bad. it's not pi
genka
mesh: home server in russia
mesh
I wonder how many floodfills there are out there though. they're an obvious single point of failure of the whole network
mesh
genka: cool
genka
i use i2pd on my pi
genka
Routers: 4536 Floodfills: 1786 LeaseSets: 0
genka
Client Tunnels: 52 Transit Tunnels: 711
genka
51 mb ram is used
mesh
interesting
mesh
though I would personally never ever trust i2pd
mesh
i2pd is written in C++ which is a notoriously unsafe language: google.com/search?q=C%2B%2B+unsafe+language
wellicht
oh dear
mesh
don't know if anybody has seriously attacked i2pd but I wouldn't be surprised if it contains more than the one security exploit already found: cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-17310/product_id-42076/I2pd-I2pd.html
mesh
the only thing people should use C++ for is are games and compilers and runtimes like the jvm
wellicht
right. Should people still use C for operating systems?
wellicht
it's notoriously unsafe, you know
genka
i saw ire, i2p router written in rust, but it seems like it's abandoned
genka
idk
mesh
no, people should stop writing operating systems
mesh
genka: it is what it is. I was a bit surprised when I saw i2pd/kovri. I'm glad it exists if more people use it, especially on constrained devices. But yeah I think the idea of a router in c++ as quite risky
mesh
genka: the good news is that you probably don't have hostile state actors after you and if you do they will almost certainly gain physical access to your computer and it won't really matter what language the router is in
genka
mesh: :)
mesh
I would keep an eye out for cves in i2pd. we'll see how safe it is in 20 years :)
dr|z3d
genka: ah, issue gone, good, good.
dr|z3d
more fast peers available in your pool, and a lower ceiling for individual routers permitted in tunnels at the same time.
dr|z3d
and also no 2 routers from the same /8 in a single local tunnel.
genka
good
dr|z3d
I like to think so. diversity is good :)
dr|z3d
have you enabled advanced mode in your console?
genka
nah
genka
do i need that?
dr|z3d
it's a good idea for someone like you. more overall visibility on what your router's doing, and easier advanced configuration.
dr|z3d
in ~/.i2p/router.config add the line routerconsole.advanced=true
genka
routerconsole.advanced=true and restart, right?
dr|z3d
then wait for around a minute and it'll be activated. no need to restart.
genka
thanks
dr|z3d
you'll know it's active when you see a congestion section in the sidebar.
dr|z3d
let me know when it's active, we'll add another line to the congestion section..
genka
yep, it's active
dr|z3d
ok, good. now browse to /configadvanced and add the line: routerconsole.showPeerTestAvg=true
genka
yep
dr|z3d
now you'll see a Peer Test Avg readout in congestion.
genka
i see
dr|z3d
good average / total test time average.
dr|z3d
you can use the first value to tune your peer profiling.
genka
631/1011
dr|z3d
the default timeout for peers before they're marked as slow (not Low Latency) is 1s or 1000ms.
dr|z3d
given your averages, you might want to add the line: router.peerTestTimeout=800
dr|z3d
again, no need to restart router. that setting will mark any router not responding to tests within 800ms as slow and remove them from the fast tier as indicated on /profiles
genka
very nice
dr|z3d
should make for more responsive local tunnels / service access.
genka
good
dr|z3d
as mentioned before, only peers you may use for local tunnels are profiled, so they get tested fairly frequently.
genka
got it
dr|z3d
you can determine how many profiles you're currently storing by counting the files in ~/.i2p/peerProfiles/
dr|z3d
should be around 2K or less.
genka
1897
dr|z3d
good
genka
4878 on my i2pd
dr|z3d
so, in effect, you have around that number available for local tunnels.
genka
dr|z3d nice
dr|z3d
yeah, i2p+ doesn't bother profiling routers you won't use for local tunnels. waste of time, cpu, disk space etc.
genka
:)
dr|z3d
who cares how fast an L tier peer is? :)
dr|z3d
you already know. not fast enough.
genka
right
dr|z3d
same for routerinfo files. if they're not high value, we don't write them to disk, only stored in ram.
dr|z3d
so when you restart your router you'll see your known peers drop initially, but they'll increase rapidly, normally to previous value within an hour or less.
genka
dr|z3d: got it
genka
ah yeah
genka
electicity cut off
genka
:)))
genka
already turned on
genka
i see less active peers on i2p+
dr|z3d
power outage?
genka
nah nah, at my home
genka
not at russian's server
dr|z3d
ah, ok. well, active peers is variable.
genka
on pure i2p i saw about 2k active peers on second day of running
genka
with i2p+ i see <1k
dr|z3d
oh, well, different interval for measurement.
dr|z3d
I think i2p measures the # peers in a 5? minute interval, for i2p+ it's 1m.
genka
oh
dr|z3d
it helps with limiting how much you have to scroll through on /profiles
itsjustme
*** pokes his head in ***
dr|z3d
and note that on /profiles, /tunnels /logs /jobs and elsewhere, the page will autorefresh via ajax if you leave it open.
genka
nice
genka
dr|z3d: is there any systemd service that i can use to run i2p+ from ~/i2p/?
dr|z3d
check the info on skank, genka, there's a systemd friendly install routine.
dr|z3d
> ~/i2p/i2prouter install
genka
oh, i see. thanks
genka
i'm alive
dr|z3d
\o/
genka
how will i2p+ behave if the internet could be isolated in russia and will have to use only russian routers, dr|z3d?
dr|z3d
that's a good question, genka, to which I don't know the answer.
genka
:)
dr|z3d
the opposite seems more likely, though, from what I've been reading in the news.
dr|z3d
i.e. the current censorship controls being exercised by the govt censor will start to fail over time.
wellicht
cutting the wire work just fine
mesh
russia can't really cut off the internet
mesh
everything from banks to police to people selling potatoes to egypt need internet connectivity
mesh
what russia can do is kill global connectivity to every phone on their networks
mesh
this has apparently already been tested and is the primary concern
mesh
and they can ask their isps to turn up fire walls but again they are wary of cutting off valid business
mesh
many russians have vpns and many need it do legitimate business
mesh
again their primary concern is phones from what I understand
wellicht
mesh: it can and it will
mesh
wellicht: highly doubtful
wellicht
mesh: many things have been highly doubtful not that long ago
mesh
it's not north korea, not yet at least
wellicht
mesh: it's becoming the Soviet Union, not North Korea. Not much difference as far as cutting the wire goes.
mesh
heck last I checked you can still watch youtube russia. russia threatened to block youtube but then backed down cuz they're afraid
mesh
let's see if russia actually has the balls to block youtube before worrying about them cutting off all internet connectivity
wellicht
*** is not worried, that's for sure ***
mesh
last I checked they blocked facebook and instagram but didn't dare to block youtube
mesh
still the us and the eu should work with i2p to encourage as many routers as possible
mesh
i2p should sell itself as a sell vpn and the i2p router should support a special "super hidden" mode where it refuses to connect to other russian/chinese/belorussian/indian routers
mesh
+serbia
genka
now i have 534/710 ms peer test average, dr|z3d
dr|z3d
that's good, genka.. and expected.. you're using lower latency peers to test other peers.
dr|z3d
feel free to bring down that peerTestTimeout config even more. 750ms, 700ms.. up to you..
dr|z3d
check on /profiles the approx ratio of green ticks to red crosses.. should mostly be green ticks.
genka
i see
dr|z3d
there you go, genka, libreddit.i2p added to the i2p+ homepage.
genka
dr|z3d: why btw :)
genka
it uses i2pd
dr|z3d
being hosted on i2p+ is not a precondition for inclusion on /home
dr|z3d
being a useful service is, ideally one that doesn't disappear in a couple of weeks.
genka
good
genka
thanks mate
dr|z3d
sure thing!
dr|z3d
there's your icon -> gitlab.com/i2pplus/I2P.Plus/-/blob/2a51bb95d45e7db3f0c01d14b555de5b5536763d/installer/resources/themes/console/images/libreddit.svg
genka
You do not have access to gitlab.com. hahaha
genka
wait will enable vpn
dr|z3d
or just use the purokishi outproxy...
genka
dr|z3d: ok, will try purokishi now
genka
oh
genka
it's fast
dr|z3d
that it is :)
dr|z3d
I've seen sustained speeds of 50Mb/s on a 0 hop connection, using fast.com to test. ymmv.
genka
wew
genka
nice
genka
how many hops does server tunnel have now?
dr|z3d
the proxy server itself is 0 hop.
dr|z3d
*proxy servers.. multi-homed.
genka
owo
genka
nice icon, dr|z3d
dr|z3d
copied from the png.
genka
:)
dr|z3d
you can use that as your site favicon if you like. up to you.
dr|z3d
I generally use an svg and remove all the apple specific favicon stuff in the header.
genka
who is major
genka
lol
dr|z3d
acetone's logging bot.
genka
oh
genka
why he acting like that
genka
it*
dr|z3d
no idea, probably a bug, or acetone's having some secret fun. probably the former.
mesh
dr|z3d: you should write about how purokishi works
mesh
dr|z3d: I've read the about page. It's a good start. But if you want others to duplicate your work and setup out proxies of their own it might help to provide more detail. Maybe let them download purokishi's blacklist and provide more info when purokishi (and how) purokishi proxies over tor.
dr|z3d
if other people want to run a proxy, they can work it out themselves.
dr|z3d
there is no one blacklist, it's around 60 lists pulled from all over the place.
mesh
dr|z3d: why would you not share?
mesh
stuff like that should have a "Download and Run" button I think.
mesh
but admittedly it is more work
dr|z3d
it's not about sharing, it's about not revealing the entire stack to mitigate possible attack strategies.
dr|z3d
there is no download and run option, it's an advanced, multi-layered stack.
mesh
one thing tor does well is they make it easy to run exit nodes.
dr|z3d
there's not a lot of people prepared to run outproxies on i2p.
mesh
i2p doesn't provide any "click this button to run an exit node"
mesh
dr|z3d: It's probably partly because nobody knows how
dr|z3d
no, I don't think that's the case at all. it's mostly because people don't have the bandwidth, or they don't want the hassle.
mesh
ironically a ton of other functionality is built into the router, but not basic exit proxy and inproxy support
dr|z3d
if you think the tunnel manager should provide a one click outproxy solution, talk to zzz.
mesh
dr|z3d: these days servers are pretty cheap. a lot of people run their own vpns. if it was easy I could see many people getting a $5/mo or $10/mo server and setting up such a proxy
dr|z3d
he's vaguely receptive to creating a tunnel type for outproxying, maybe you can encourage him.
dr|z3d
part of running an outproxy is knowing what you're doing. people who want to run one will have the technical skills. it's not for everyone.
mesh
I already bother zzz too much. I'm pretty sure he hates me, hehe. But yeah I think making it easy to run outproxies and inproxies should be a project priority. I find it strange that the router does everything but this.
mesh
then again the legal liability in running such proxies isn't clear so who knows.
mesh
in theory running an exit proxy is straightforwards. I think the hard part is probably setting up appropriate blocklists and making sure it doesn't get abused too hard.
itsjustme
Poopin is a shitshow
T3s|4_
dr|z3d: ^good read, and further evidence that Russia continues it determination to lay in China's bed
dr|z3d
yeah, T3s|4, it's not looking great in Russia right now on the human rights and free speech fronts.
mesh
Let's hope the Russians pull it off
mesh
the Russian splinternet will do far more damage to Russia than anybody else.
mesh
Russia isn't China and even China wastes billions on this nonsense
genka
favicon is svg on libreddit now, dr|z3d
dr|z3d
*thumbs up*
mesh
it does show how smart Google was make to HTTP3/QUIC encrypted and run it over UDP
genka
dr|z3d: i think webui of i2p+ a bit overloaded cuz i frequently see fps drops while scrolling
genka
on the pure i2p router that was fine
dr|z3d
depends on your processor, genka. if you want max performance, try the classic theme.
mesh
everybody thought Google was crazy for creating QUIC but QUIC completely defeats the kind of deep packet inspection that China and Russia want to do
genka
using classic theme :)
genka
i have i3-3110m
dr|z3d
classic should be as performant as upstream, if not more so.
dr|z3d
you might experience frame drops with the ajax enabled pages, notwithstanding, when they're refreshing.
genka
yeah, maybe
dr|z3d
also, in i2p, the default sidebar refresh is 15s I think, it's 3 in i2p+, you can always try tweaking that value on /configsidebar
genka
thanks
T3s|4
mesh: all Communist governments have one thing in common: they are far more scared of their own people (and the truth) than any foreign enemy. Why do you think they are the only countries on Earth that will shoot you for *leaving*, and NOT just for entering illegally?
mesh
Russia's not really Communist at all. It's more like a mafia. A criminal organization that is hiding behind a legitmate "front" that just happens to be a nation state
dr|z3d
that's true of any country run by an autocrat.
mesh
And Russia is really not like China. They're very, very different.
mesh
China wants to control their internet because they're all about unity and they want everybody to conform IMO
T3s|4
China's Mafia makes Putin's mafia look like a childish attempt...at best ;p
mesh
Russia wants to control their internet because they're criminals and they see it as another opportunity to act as a toll keeper and extract money from people
mesh
In the future the Russian government will force companies to pay a fee to be available to Russian internet users
T3s|4
try 1.4 Billion people, tomorrow
mesh
it's just another smash and grab. It's always about money with the Russians
genka
:|
T3s|4
^ try 1.4 Billion people, tomorrow
mesh
genka: except you genka
mesh
hehe
genka
:)
genka
i'm not in russia
genka
but very close
mesh
but anyways I would say China and Russia are very different. China's not even that corrupt any more. Say what you will but Xi really did clean up *a lot* of corruption in China
mesh
while Russia is by all accounts what is called a "Mafia State" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_state )
T3s|4
mesh: ^that's pure speculative BS
mesh
In his book titled Mafia State, journalist and author Luke Harding argues that Putin has "created a state peopled by ex-KGB and FSB officers, like himself, [who are] bent on making money above all."[28] In the estimation of American diplomats, "the government [of Russia] effectively [is] the mafia."
mesh
It really is that simple
mesh
T3s|4: what?
mesh
I mean I know China and Russia pretty well but I'm no expert
mesh
both are authoritarian states but they are very different. China is a one-party state hell bent on becoming a super power. Russia is more like a group of gangsters that are just trying to make as much money as possible before the scam comes crashing down
T3s|4
any assertion that Xi, the leader for life (tm) has ended Chinese corruption. Xi IS the Chinese Super-Mafia!
genka
dr|z3d: why did you do fork of i2p btw? why didn't just do merge requests with useful changes?
mesh
T3s|4: I mean China is a lot less corrupt than it was 20 years ago. I don't think anybody would deny this
mesh
you might not like Xi but he really did end a lot of corruption because it was getting in the way of economic growth
T3s|4
mesh: I've been doing business in China since long before Xi...I know wtf I'm talking about...unless you have similar experience...I've heard enough speculation ;p
mesh
T3s|4: I mean you can read the Wikipedia article. It's a pretty decent description en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-corruption_campaign_under_Xi_Jinping
T3s|4
I know all the 'campaign'
T3s|4
all *about
mesh
I'm not saying that China isn't corrupt I'm just saying that it's **a lot less** corrupt than it was 10 years ago and it's **nothing like the way Russia is corrupt**
mesh
like I said in Russia the government is literally controlled by gangsters
mesh
this is why people call Russia a Mafia State, cuz literally the gangsters are in charge
dr|z3d
> genka: flexibility.
T3s|4
That *may* be true...but Russia is an economic joke when compared to China, or to any other developed (smaller) country
mesh
yeah Russia's economy is about as big as Texas'
genka
good, dr|z3d
mesh
though not for long heh
mesh
it'll probably shrink by 15-20% this year
T3s|4
lols - yeah about the same as Texas on a rainy Sunday, when all of the churchladies hustle their families into church; not into McDonalds or WalMart ;p
T3s|4
mesh: oops, sorry for my reference to church/God...I DO know that it is imperative for ALL Communist governments' mere survival to DEMAND that ALL their populace remain GODLESS, FAITHLESS and CHURCHLESS (tm). Ever asked WHY? ;p
dr|z3d
genka: I prefer to get on with what I'm doing rather than second guess how it'll be received upstream. there's enough of my work upstream already.
dr|z3d
genka: can you do me a favor and check outproxy.purokishi.i2p/about_ru.html for correctness. it's a google translate job.
genka
dr|z3d: got it
genka
dr|z3d: np, will check now
dr|z3d
thanks!
genka
fileshare.linuxfarm.i2p/file/1NLf2iYk3S_XYcWgbqrwzrskRHWom4wCHbGmHrT16_E3DaFSpsca/Screenshot-6.png
genka
i cant scroll down btw, dr|z3d
dr|z3d
oh, you're in the twilight media query zone, genka :)
dr|z3d
I should probably fix that.
genka
:)
dr|z3d
if you reduce the width of your browser, you should be able to scroll.
genka
i see
dr|z3d
should be better now.
genka
fileshare.linuxfarm.i2p/file/AVAE80KYeY_w7Rd8qiX3WFDvXsp6XVSMMywDqdKUT_iwxGjz1XFt/Screenshot-7.png
genka
:)
dr|z3d
yeah, that should be fixed now with a ctrl+shift_r
genka
nah, seems same
dr|z3d
you didn't press ctrl+shift+r hard enough :)
genka
i even disabled cache in dev tools
dr|z3d
oh, wait, you're testing the english page.
dr|z3d
I was fixing the russian page.
genka
)))
dr|z3d
ok, fixed for now. not exactly how I wanted to present the page, but hey.
genka
good
dr|z3d
maybe I'll do a proper rework later.
dr|z3d
so how did the russian look?
genka
it's awful :)
genka
working hard on it
dr|z3d
haha, thought it might be a bit dodgy :) thanks.
itsjustme
genka: you know Russian?
genka
itsjustme: it's my native language
itsjustme
Ah nice