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dr|z3d
there are throttles in play if you request too many, orignal
dr|z3d
otherwise, I don't think any tunnel gets special treatment. All should be treated equally.
dr|z3d
tell us if you find any, snex. there's stuff out there, whether it satisfies your criteria is a different matter.
dr|z3d
zzz: you gone cold on the router geomap?
snex
I’ve only seen MentalOutlaw talk about it and I’ve never seen him here at all
dr|z3d
Is MentalOutlaw the doingfedtime guy?
dr|z3d
if you search for i2p on youtube, you'll see a bunch of videos, some quite old.
snex
Not familiar with that name. He’s a black dude that does a lot of tech YouTube vids
dr|z3d
not the same guy then, doingfedtime makes i2p videos occasionally, he's entertaining, but he's definitely not technical.
dr|z3d
and he's a white dude with a biker beard.
dr|z3d
not_bob's about to tell you all about him...
eyedeekay
doingfedtime is this guy: youtube.com/watch?v=01oeaBb85Xc
eyedeekay
I met him once, seemed nice enough
not_bob
Yeah, the doing fed time guy did a video on me. He things I'm strange.
eyedeekay
he's also reservesteel on reddit
not_bob
HIs content is genearlaly pretty good, but very end user level.
dr|z3d
his videos are amusing. didn't he recently post an ai-generated link on reddit with a security rating for various i2p implementations?
not_bob
Mental Outlaw is a better source for slightly deeper level things.
not_bob
Hah, and then there is RTP! That man goes down rabit holes. I like it.
dr|z3d
might be some old content on youtube from "irongeek" aka Adrian Grimshaw. He's a bit more technical.
not_bob
Sadly there is not much content on I2P on there :(
not_bob
*** wanders off. ***
eyedeekay
Oh was it AI-generated? That explains it
Anomaly
i am evolving like a pokeman
Anomaly
ive seen mentaloutlaw
dr|z3d
pretty sure it was.
dr|z3d
anyone with half a clue wouldn't have included kovri.
dr|z3d
and the security ratings seemed to be plucked out of thin air.
dr|z3d
aka hallucinated.
Anomaly
who is RTP?
dr|z3d
also has his own channel on youtube.
eyedeekay
Yeah that was a weird move to include them at all, and the inclusion of kovri was a head-scratcher too
dr|z3d
and he's here most of the time.
eyedeekay
Like I'm pretty sure go-i2p does more than kovri now and go-i2p doesn't work
eyedeekay
kovri's long-dead
dr|z3d
the only reason a sentient being would include kovri would be to troll orignal.
Anomaly
oh RTP is right to privacy, that makes sense.
dr|z3d
you got anything waiting to be pushed to the i2p-i2p repo, eyedeekay? or are we not far off a new release?
eyedeekay
I have a couple things I'm going to put up before we get too far, but they're more-or-less preparation for bigger and better things nobody will notice until I use them later
dr|z3d
you tease!
eyedeekay
I've got 2 things I had been working on that are getting closer
eyedeekay
So I'm breaking down the prop166 MR into reusable smaller parts, that's the host-aware HTTP proxy thing
dr|z3d
ah, right.
eyedeekay
There's some smaller parts of that which are going to come under the heading "introspectable HTTP Requests" which is a small piece of that that's mostly just going to show up as changed logs for now but it makes it a lot easier to switch sockets to just grab your isolating key from the HTTP request that way
dr|z3d
look forward to it.
eyedeekay
There's a couple things I'm trying to manage the lifecycle of the sockets themselves too
eyedeekay
Then there's stuff in the sybil attack tool, where I'm giving each penalty a fixed range, and as a side-effect, the total score will also have a fixed range
dr|z3d
also look forward to that.
eyedeekay
At first it will be so that a single source of penalties will not be able to trigger the sybil threshold, which should contain the threat-inflation type exploits that showed up when the RI's were being clones
orignal
dr|z3d I'm asking something else
eyedeekay
But eventually I want to try and make "constellations" of suspicious router characteristics and maybe react based on matching a pattern rather than a straight threshold
orignal
why replacement tunnel is worse that original one?
dr|z3d
sounds complex :)
dr|z3d
different hops?
eyedeekay
Oh that one will be, but the bottom layer of limiting the penalties and establishing ranges is pretty simple
orignal
maybe your table depends on tunnelid
dr|z3d
is it always a degradation, orignal, or do the tunnels sometimes improve when you request another?
orignal
not alaays
orignal
today a tunnel worked fine until it got expired
orignal
replacemnt tunnel was built
orignal
but speed became few times lower
dr|z3d
well, we're not bandwidth throttling (yet) for tunnels based on b/w usage.
orignal
as I said maybe lookup issue
orignal
like not constant time
dr|z3d
ok, sounds like a question for zzz.
orignal
that's what my question
orignal
actually the only difference between two tunnels in tunnelid
dr|z3d
if you're on the latest build, T3s|4, unknowns might be less than you've been seeing.
dr|z3d
they are here at least.
orignal
btw, guys are doing whitei2p now
dr|z3d
who's "guys" and what's special about whitei2p?
dr|z3d
also, orignal, you got it compiled and running yet? :)
orignal
plain C implemntation of i2p
orignal
that I started many years ago and didn't finish
dr|z3d
git repo?
dr|z3d
how complete is it?
snex
Is it only for white people?
not_bob_afk
orignal: Did you see my private message?
orignal
it partally worked but the problem it contains old stuff
orignal
not_bob_afk yes I told R4SAS
orignal
he will take care
not_bob_afk
orignal: Thank you.
orignal
snex no
dr|z3d
white as in walter white, snex.
orignal
i2pd is purple, that one is white
dr|z3d
aka pure blue i2p.
orignal
but since "white" is forbidden word here
orignal
it's nice name
dr|z3d
don't start, orignal :)
orignal
snex started
orignal
not me
dr|z3d
*** chuckles ***
orignal
so guys are trying to finish it
orignal
since I don't have time
orignal
well it has ntcp2
orignal
but not ssu2 or ratchets
orignal
also no new tunnel build messages
orignal
the majority of the code was written in 2015
snex
When will i2p be part of the kernel network stack
orignal
then this code was ported to i2pd to 2.x.x
dr|z3d
that's a good start.
orignal
and it was actually abandoned for many years
dr|z3d
russians, presumably?
orignal
sometimes I returned ot it say for ntcp2
orignal
ofc Russians ))
orignal
maybe unkrainans \
orignal
who knows
orignal
no way to differentiate online
dr|z3d
same costs as per i2pd, then?
orignal
not sure
orignal
same costs as per i2pd of 2015
dr|z3d
if not the same as i2pd, then it can be differentiated.
orignal
don't remeber if I changed
orignal
I mean Russians and Ukrainins ))
dr|z3d
ah, right :)
orignal
speak the same language'
orignal
the only difference is accent
orignal
whitei2p routers will looks like i2pd ofc
dr|z3d
sure, if the transport costs are the same.
dr|z3d
and when ssu2 is supported.
orignal
whitei2p was first, i2pd with openssl was after
orignal
I started ssu2 there just didn't finish
Anomaly
is anyone here
dr|z3d
Blinded message
Anomaly
boo!
Anomaly
like a ghost
dr|z3d
any progress on your site, Anomaly? Any images yet?
Anomaly
yes and no, as i program in html and css i keep finding ways of improving it, like i think i did a bad job with semantics, and im finding more efficient ways of doing css, that now im just practicing in a seperate folder
dr|z3d
keep at it!
Anomaly
and then once i get really good or get a product i like then ill start applying my changes
Anomaly
thank you :)
Anomaly
like i learned i can do my css outside a media query, and then do a media query where i say i want these colors for prefers color scheme and then nest a new media query under the prefers media query for certain screen sizes, like under this screensize do this and such
dr|z3d
yeah, but you probably don't want to do that.
Anomaly
howcome?
Anomaly
@media only screen and (prefers-color-scheme: dark) {
dr|z3d
keep your colorscheme media queries and viewport sizes separate. viewport queries are global, so you want them to apply whatever colorscheme.
dr|z3d
(usually)
Anomaly
body {
Anomaly
background-color: var(--dark);
Anomaly
color: var(--light);
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
@media only screen and (max-width: 600px) {
Anomaly
.nav-list {
Anomaly
flex-direction: column;
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
oh like i have it backwards?
Anomaly
oh just dont nest it at all ?
dr|z3d
you can lose 'only screen and'
Anomaly
hmmm
Anomaly
ok
dr|z3d
keep widths and height separate from the color scheme.
dr|z3d
they're global.
Anomaly
right
Anomaly
yea i can try to see if i can do something thats very organized and efficient while keeping them apart.
dr|z3d
you may also want to define separate :root { ... } for dark.
Anomaly
ok :)
Anomaly
@media only screen and (prefers-color-scheme: light) {
Anomaly
body {
Anomaly
background-color: var(--light);
Anomaly
color: var(--dark);
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
@media only screen and (prefers-color-scheme: dark) {
Anomaly
body {
Anomaly
background-color: var(--dark);
Anomaly
color: var(--light);
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
@media only screen and (max-width: 600px) {
Anomaly
.nav-list {
Anomaly
flex-direction: column;
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
sorry for pasting code, but thankfully this still works where nothing is nested.
Anomaly
i know in irc people say not to paste code.
Anomaly
yea i can do that too, where i seperate a :root for light and dark each.
Anomaly
should i also seperate font sizes in a seperate :root?
dr|z3d
you don't need light and dark, just dark.
dr|z3d
if not dark, then it's light.
Anomaly
huh
Anomaly
well i set --light: white, and --dark: black.
dr|z3d
you'll figure it out. you just want 2 :roots, one inside the prefers-dark override, the other will be defacto light theme.
Anomaly
ok
Anomaly
will do
dr|z3d
and lose all the 'only screen and' qualifiers.
dr|z3d
@media (prefers-color-scheme: light) { ... etc.
Anomaly
oh maybe i messed that up when i was doing it for the screen sized.
dr|z3d
just lose it for everything.
dr|z3d
@media (max-width: 600px) {
dr|z3d
etc.
dr|z3d
just assume that your users won't be printing out your pages.
T3s|4
+
Anomaly
oh yea ofcourse
Anomaly
@media (prefers-color-scheme: dark) {
Anomaly
body {
Anomaly
background-color: var(--dark);
Anomaly
color: var(--light);
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
}
dr|z3d
ok, no more of that pasting please.
Anomaly
@media (max-width: 600px) {
Anomaly
.nav-list {
dr|z3d
just do it.
Anomaly
flex-direction: column;
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
}
Anomaly
does this look better?
dr|z3d
when you surface, zzz, netdblookup for tier + congestion caps no workee.
dr|z3d
?caps=E works, ?caps=X works, ?caps={XE|EX} fail.
zzz
yeah it's looking for substrings so you have to search for XRE. search redesign still on my list.
orignal
zzz was there a propsal about Tor?
orignal
please point me to one because I can't find
dr|z3d
roger that, zzz
dr|z3d
there was a discussion, there was a blog post, there was never a formal proposal, orignal
orignal
may I have a proposal number?
dr|z3d
>>> there was a discussion, there was a blog post, there was ***never*** a formal proposal, orignal <<<
orignal
so you didn't have a proposal for a change affecting many users
orignal
right?
dr|z3d
Sherlock Holmes in full effect.
orignal
may I ask why there was not a proposal?
dr|z3d
same reason there isn't a proposal for transit throttling.
orignal
I would like to ask zzz
dr|z3d
he'll be with you shortly :)
dr|z3d
(he's on the other line)
orignal
seems after one week nobody is going to fix anything
orignal
I can wait
dr|z3d
** soothing mood music ***
orignal
he silience will be clear answer
orignal
and it will be time for me to start my "implementation details"
orignal
if you guys don't want to cooperate
dr|z3d
we're due a proposal or two from you, no?
orignal
it's very clear
orignal
no
dr|z3d
I'll let zzz answer that one.
orignal
he promised to "check if we can do it the same way as i2pd"
orignal
and it also seems I was not late to the party
dr|z3d
(proposals not related to Tor blocking)
orignal
it seem I was not invited
dr|z3d
you kicked off the party.
orignal
the one when "it was well discussed in May"
orignal
with one expection
dr|z3d
your inference that recent network attacks were originating from Tor-based routers provoked zzz into blocking Tor.
orignal
no, my upcoming change will make blocking Tor useles
dr|z3d
so what are you moaning about then?
orignal
do you want me to repeat again?
orignal
what's my problem
dr|z3d
your problem is rabid users on your irc network. we got that message already.
orignal
no the probem is I2P piniciples
orignal
and if zzz will not fix it for the next release Tor based router will be able to connect to i2pd routers for the first hop
orignal
is it what you guys want?
orignal
instead findign comporomised
orignal
you tell me fuck off
dr|z3d
pretty sure that Tor-based routers can already connect to i2pd, no?
orignal
they are i2pd ofc
orignal
but first hop could be anything
dr|z3d
no one's telling you to fuck off. or whipping you with a liquorice shoelace. those are paid-for services.
orignal
no proposal. no discussion with me, no efforts to correct the mistake
orignal
it means "fuck off"
dr|z3d
what's your compromise?
dr|z3d
we've discussed this previously. you gave zzz a bit of a hard time then.
orignal
if a router is connected from Tor's IP they must publish this IP in RI
orignal
yes, but it's week already
dr|z3d
perhaps if you were slightly less aggressive this discussion could progress faster.
orignal
and I'm waiting for aznwer
orignal
and I don't see any progress in this
orignal
it means time for my change
RN
is there even agreement it was a "mistake" it was dune durring attack to mitigate ovserved problems and you were there durring the discussion, orignal
orignal
mistake is to ban all Tor's IPs
orignal
that was NEVER discussed
orignal
neither a proposal
RN
perhaps blocking all might warrant further disucssion and proposals
orignal
I would never agree with such dumb decision
RN
but allowing all routers coming out of Tor is also a mistake. you just give the attacker(s) an open window to abuse
orignal
ok. if Java-I2P stands on such position, let me make my change
orignal
yes I was for this
RN
I'm just a user. I don't speak for the project in this'
orignal
and you are pushing me to allow it
orignal
aren't you a part of dev team?
orignal
the choice is simple
RN
I have not yet contributed any noteworthy code to the core project
orignal
either zzz admits the mistake and make a correction for the next release
RN
on paper, perhaps I am granted ability but havne't submitted anything yet
orignal
or I make my change to let all Tor nodes connect to the network for the next release
RN
does it have to be an "admission of mistake" that's a bit much. Maybe there's compromise to find here.
orignal
the way to make a change even without a proposal and then blame me means "fuck off"
orignal
he promised to take a look
RN
you are being blamed by who? for what?
orignal
after 1 week it would be nice to have an answer
orignal
by zzz, by dr|z3d
orignal
that I didn't p[articipate that disucssion
orignal
like "you are too late"
RN
maybe I missed some in scrollback, but I see struggles to communicate not blaming.
orignal
but then someone asked me "hey orignal what was the proposal for that change"
orignal
and really where what it?
orignal
question questions and questions
orignal
RN you can't imagine how people are angry about this change
orignal
and ofc asking me why I didn't stannd against it in right time
RN
Tor routers were observed attempting to do malicious things.
RN
how is protecting the network from attacker(s) a mistake?
orignal
the mistake to ban non-Tor routers
orignal
that's what people are angry about
snex
has it occurred to you that the angry users are the ones who were abusing the network and now theyre angry that they wont receive their NSA CIA FBI paychecks for disabling i2p?
orignal
nope
orignal
people care about whole I2P
orignal
ideas and priciples
orignal
forbid I2P over Tor is fine
orignal
forbid I2P with Tor on the same IP is not fine
snex
look if you are in a situation where 13% of the routers cause 50% of the problems, you just gotta ban them all
RN
"with tor" you mean "with a Tor exit node" don't you?
orignal
yes, Tor exit node
orignal
but it doesn't matter
orignal
an user wants to run I2P on the same IP as Tor
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orignal
doesn''t matter what's teir role
orignal
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orignal
"honest person has nothing to hide"?
orignal
it's not about who is affefected now
orignal
the question is about I2P priciples and how users might be affected in future
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orignal
?
StormyCloud
Pasted something in wrong window
snex
that used to be a pretty sure password
snex
secure*
StormyCloud
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dr|z3d
sorry, orignal. you're categorically wrong. you started the ball rolling, mentioned your theory Tor-based routers were part of an attack, and when I suggested banning Tor nodes on the network, your response was "it's up to zzz".
orignal
yes, I'm for abbing Tor router, but not Tor IPs
orignal
because the discussion was about "idiot connectiing through Tor"
orignal
and also it doesn't answer the question why there was no a proposal
orignal
if there was a proposal you could read it and say immedietly what's wrong
orignal
because I read proposal
orignal
and don't read "blog posts, twitter, etc."
orignal
proposal is an official statement and provides ground to discuss
orignal
blog posts is most bullshit
dr|z3d
you were present at the discussion.
dr|z3d
there was no surprise blocking, it was ALL discussed beforehand.
orignal
it was never mentioned you were going to ban all Tor IPs
orignal
NEVER
orignal
I read all logs
dr|z3d
we don't ban all ips, we just ban exit ips.
orignal
quote please
orignal
doesn't matter
orignal
you should NEVER do it
orignal
and everybody agrees about it
orignal
again either you fix it
orignal
or all Tor routers will be back for the next release
orignal
I don't want to participate in this shame
orignal
and tell clearly to users that I'm against it
dr|z3d
you need to cool your jets, orignal
dr|z3d
whatever case you think you have, stating it aggressively just undermines whatever you're trying to communicate.
orignal
why?
orignal
zzz had whole week to think
orignal
is it not enough?
orignal
or "as usual"
dr|z3d
your case wasn't that compelling then, and it's no more compelling now.
orignal
no proposal is another factor
orignal
that was found out today
orignal
unless zzz provides the propsal#
orignal
again why so severe change was made wihtout a proposal?
orignal
or "it's different"
dr|z3d
it's an implementation choice. it's not a proposal.
orignal
does it mean I can do my "implemnation choice" now too?
dr|z3d
I don't think you had any pushback from zzz when you suggested it last week. Nothing's changed.
dr|z3d
but if you have a compromise, let's hear it.
orignal
my router behind Tor works find with my "implemnation choice"
dr|z3d
let's say I'm using Tor to route my traffic. Do I publish my own IP address in my RouterInfo?
orignal
the queustion if brng to the main code
orignal
do you run your I2P router on Tor's IP?
dr|z3d
I'm asking what your compromise is.
orignal
I2P router runnign on Tor IP must be allowed
orignal
if that run ON Tor IP rather than hide themselved bahind Tor
orignal
see the difference?
orignal
you are not allowed to be in I2P through Tor tunnels
orignal
and that sounds right
dr|z3d
so you're differentiating between a router that's not routing over Tor, but has an Tor exit node on the same ip address, and a router that's routing all traffic through Tor?
orignal
yes
orignal
if router is on Tor's IP they must publish that IP and be reachable on that endpoint
dr|z3d
so we're agreed, then, we don't want routers that route traffic over Tor on the network. period. ?
orignal
yes
orignal
we agreed about this from the beginning
dr|z3d
ok, good. we're getting somewhere.
dr|z3d
I don't think we had buy in from you.
orignal
?
orignal
running I2P through Tor is stupidity
dr|z3d
not for blocking Tor-routed I2P routers, or anything else. you seemed to think it was all fine.
orignal
yes
dr|z3d
great. can you write that in all caps so we're sure you mean business? :)
orignal
you can use Tor and I2P at them same time bit not I2P over Tor
orignal
and nobody is against it
orignal
but banning all Tor exit nodes in I2P espcially through SU3 is not acceptable (acetone's concern)
dr|z3d
well, we could approach this a couple of ways.
dr|z3d
the easiest method is just to override the exit blocklist with a whitelist for eligible routers.
orignal
because this list comes from third party source
orignal
and can be used for potential sybil attacks, etc.
dr|z3d
of course, any routers that happen to route I2P traffic over Tor will also get through.
dr|z3d
the list is direct from Tor central.
orignal
that probelm woih nodes that don't run I2P traffic over Tor
orignal
can you trust them?
dr|z3d
yeah, but we discussed this before, didn't we. it probably impacts less than 1/2 dozen actual i2p routers.
orignal
of they "cooperate with authorities"?
dr|z3d
can we trust Tor to publish a correct list of active exit nodes?
orignal
yes
orignal
or they publish someone 's IP "by mistake"?
orignal
remeber it's acetone concern
dr|z3d
it's automated based on the actual state of the network.
orignal
not mine
orignal
what is police ask them to tempropary add some IP to the list?
orignal
*if
dr|z3d
seems unlikely, what's the point of that?
orignal
to shut down some suspisios router
orignal
to see if eeepiste also goes down
orignal
obviously
orignal
but I bet you guess never trhought about this possibility
orignal
basically you thought about nothing
dr|z3d
you're currently not blocking Tor nodes, so there's no prospect eepsites going down.
orignal
and keep repating as a parrots "it doesn't affect anybody"
orignal
former prsioner acentone knows life better than all you
orignal
if I don't propagate my that chnage they will work with difficulties
orignal
but I doubt you through that way
dr|z3d
if there was a proposal to block all Tor exit ips from the network, would you implement it and advise your users not to run Tor and I2P on the same ip?
orignal
like "of well there are still i2pd nodes"
orignal
not about last statement
orignal
people should be able I2P router on any IP
dr|z3d
you're not answering the question.
orignal
if they ddos the netwrok that IP should be temoprary banned
orignal
if it was the proposal
orignal
I would say NO immedieately
dr|z3d
so how many actual I2P routers do you know that are impacted by this, out of interest?
orignal
zero
dr|z3d
zero?
dr|z3d
*** laughs. ***
orignal
but it's now
orignal
pigs just don't know about this your nice feature yet
orignal
it matters of reputation and possible attacks
dr|z3d
don't run an exit and i2p on the same ip. want to run tor and i2p on the same ip? don't be an exit. easy.
dr|z3d
all this noise about, frankly, fuck all of consequence.
dr|z3d
if you want added protections, refuse to start the router if it's on an exit ip.
orignal
people don't like this approach
dr|z3d
some people don't like salad. what to do?
orignal
I support them too
orignal
that's the problem
dr|z3d
in our business, you're never going to make everyone happy all the time. it's the nature of software.
orignal
yes, but I don't want uselss war
orignal
I prefer to find a compromise
dr|z3d
so Tor-routed routers don't publish an ip address.
dr|z3d
A router that also happens to host a Tor exit on the same ip will publish its ip address to its RouterInfo.
dr|z3d
so if we see a router that's publishing an ip address, we whitelist it. Is that the thrust of your proposal?
dr|z3d
and if we find a compromise that's acceptable to you, are you going to implement a blocklist for all Tor-routed i2pd routers?
orignal
yes, and nither SSU2
orignal
no it's not
orignal
because an advesary can publish exit node's IP connecting through Tor
orignal
it must be second step
orignal
such router is untrusted untill you connect to that publish IP
orignal
in this case you mark it as trusted in your profile
orignal
probably but not sure about the list
orignal
I don't like your way
orignal
however I have better way
orignal
if RTT for connection too big ban it for some time
orignal
that would be my approach
orignal
regardless if it's Tor or VPN
dr|z3d
not averse to that idea.
dr|z3d
though it will impact a huge number of users, instead of the currently zero known users.
orignal
I don't care about idiots using Tor and VPN for I2P
orignal
and I'm tired from them
orignal
from thier dumb question
orignal
s
orignal
3 hops Tor tunnel is few hundred milliceocnds RTT
orignal
obvious
dr|z3d
sure, I think we understand the basic principle.
dr|z3d
we could just whitelist Tor exit ips if a) they're published to RouterInfo, and b) SSU is enabled.
dr|z3d
if you want to validate that we can connect directly to the published ip, then that's also something to consider, if required.
dr|z3d
if we're assessing routers based on RTT, then we don't ban them per se, we just don't transit traffic for them.
orignal
not necessary SSU. the main thing if they are reachable
dr|z3d
so basically Tor exit blocklist + whitelist for routers on Tor exit ips if they're reachable? is that your compromise?
orignal
yes
orignal
because rouyters connected through Tor can't be reachable
dr|z3d
ok, good. I'm glad we got somewhere. now all zzz needs to do is read that compromise proposal without all the haranguing. :)
orignal
btw SSU with instroducers is also fine
dr|z3d
zzz: you can come out of your bunker now. orignal's desisting from sending drones.
dr|z3d
yeah, that's what I was driving at, re SSU. if a router is currently routing over Tor, they won't have SSU.
dr|z3d
that may well change though, Tor have been discussing implementing UDP for a long while now, and maybe they'll have an excuse to do it with arti.
orignal
but not yet
dr|z3d
sure, no immediate threat of UDP on Tor/arti.
T3s|4
dr|z3d: speaking of Tor, could my use of running Tor as a system-wide daemon explain why I see many more Unknowns than you? On 9+ now, up 6 hours, with 436 Unknowns. My FF http/https are pointed at 8118, Privoxy's listening port, which works well with Tor (and has for years)
snex
if 13% of the routers cause 50% of the problems, something gotta be done
dr|z3d
T3s|4: no.
dr|z3d
T3s|4: you want to see what's happening at the resolve end, on /configlogging -> net.i2p.router.transport.CommSystemFacadeImpl=DEBUG