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eyedeekay Nobody has any requests of you orignal, AFAIK, we're discussing the prospect of limiting the total bandwidth that any given participating tunnel is allowed to use proportional to the available bandwidth
eyedeekay i2pd has some very different opinions about whether or not to do this I gather
orignal as I mentioned before I'm fine with it
orignal but this number must be reported
orignal we do nothing if we receive TBR and have enough bandwidth and number of tunnels we accept
eyedeekay The idea here would be to prevent a small number of tunnels(less than the configured maximum participating tunnels) from using up all the available bandwidth, so I don't see these ideas in conflict
orignal and what's your idea?
orignal if I got a fat tunnel
eyedeekay Essentially same as before, except for the changes here: git.idk.i2p/i2p-hackers/i2p.i2p/-/merge_requests/200
orignal so what is the change about?
eyedeekay It limits the bandwidth available to a participating tunnel to a proportion of the total available bandwidth
orignal what if one exceeds?
eyedeekay Then it starts to drop messages
orignal worst idea
orignal if you do it this limit must be in your RI
orignal otherwise how I know if I can use your router for video streams
orignal e.g. you must tell the network what's your limit per tunnel
eyedeekay Well the proportion is determined by whether it is L, O/P, X, or M/N so you can know what the likely behavior/available resources are
zzz we could put the limit in the build response msg
eyedeekay Interesting idea
orignal zzz yes
orignal because I need to understand if I can use a tunnel for heavy traffic or not
orignal and be sure it will not start malfunctioning
orignal hence jujst start dropping is a bad idea
orignal so what's the propoprtion now?
zzz and/or requested bw in the build req msg
zzz that was one main idea why we put a mapping field in each
eyedeekay orignal in the MR the limits are as follows: total limit / 2 for L routers
eyedeekay total limit / 4 for O/P/X routers
eyedeekay directly between those two points for M/N routers
orignal is it constant or can be changed?
eyedeekay It's not even merged yet, can be changed
orignal not is it contsnat or dynamic?
eyedeekay Constant in that sense
dr|z3d it's currently fixed at the time of the request.
dr|z3d for the duration of the tunnel.
zzz proportion is documented in the MR linked above. Not necessarily what we'd actually do, just a placeholder
eyedeekay zzz it seems like an excellent idea to me offhand, the proactive ask-first version in particular strikes me but I guess if you ask a big number then everybody says no it's not so good
eyedeekay So is it better to know when you run out or know you're not likely to to or both?
zzz but that placeholder is not based on current available bandwidth, which perhaps it should be
zzz the goal is to do the RED on the tunnel that's the hog, before you get to the RED on the full part. traffic flow
orignal also keep in mind that an advesary can reserve all availble bandwidth and make a router unusuable
eyedeekay Yeah but this should hypothetically make such an adversary have to work harder
dr|z3d that's where throttling tunnel requests per peer kicks in orignal.
dr|z3d there's an argument to be made for the tunnel throttler to work in tandem with the peer throttler so a given peer is throttled before they've requested all aavailable bandwidth.
zzz ok, based on this discussion, the MR is not yet ready for merging, and some of the ideas above, if adopted, would require a separate proposal
dr|z3d worthwhile discussion.