~dr|z3d
@T3s|4
@T3s|4_
@eyedeekay
@orignal
@zzz
%Liorar
+Afkaid
+Hikari
+Unbur
+Xeha
+acetone
+cumlord
+profetikla
+semantica
+snex
+uop23ip
+weko
Arch
DeltaOreo
FreefallHeavens_
Irc2PGuest30202
Irc2PGuest42421
Irc2PGuest83825
Leopold
Nausicaa
Onn4l7h
StormyCloudInc
Titlacahuan_
anon4
anontor2
anu
itsjustme
limak
not_bob_afk
poriori_
rs231
thetia
u5657
dr|z3d
trial: still confused?
dr|z3d
another thing. even if your browser assumes https if you don't type a protocol, you do not need to type to go to an .i2p site.
dr|z3d
just type the sitename and make sure you add a trailing /
dr|z3d
some information regarding http / https for the console at 127.0.0.1:7657/help/faq
RTP
could turn off https only for the i2p browser set up, since browser will attempt it and fail (on sites that use site.i2p). Then you won't get redirected on i2p sites. I2prouter handles encryption for siteNameHere.i2p, so still secure regardless of browser message. I2p provides an encryption 'overlay' for applications.
RTP
most i2p sites being , since i2prouter handles encryption, can make for less confusion if https only off for i2p sites.
trial_
dr|z3d, thanks, the / suffix worked ! :)
dr|z3d
progres, trial :)
dr|z3d
if you upgraded from I2P to I2P+, you may wish to use the I2P+ installer for the easiest resolution to http/https console access.
RTP
I2P+ also provides you many cool working sites right on the front of the console page load... definitely perfect for starting out on i2p.
trial_
I already used the i2p+ java binary guys
RTP
ah missed that part.
trial_
on linux
dr|z3d
did you install via I2P+ or upgrade from I2P?
trial_
no worries i come and go from this chat since days, i understand lol
trial_
installed from i2p+ from scratch I believe
trial_
but I do remember visiting the website i2p at first, so i'm not so sure, any way to check?
dr|z3d
ok, so if you haven't changed your console client settings, 127.0.0.1:7657 should automatically redirect you to 127.0.0.1:7667
dr|z3d
127.0.0.1:7657 will always fail.
trial_
127.0.0.1:7657 works
trial_
127.0.0.1:7657 -> Secure connection failed indeed
dr|z3d
127.0.0.1:7657 should by default redirect to https on 7667.
dr|z3d
https on 7657 will NEVER WORK.
trial_
dr, no it stays on 127.0.0.1:7657 and displays the router interface
dr|z3d
then you must have changed something based on advice you received here?
trial_
I don't think so
trial_
only advice I received was for me to prevent two browsers to launch when $ i2prouter start
trial_
so I better should uninstall i2p+ and reinstall, right?
dr|z3d
well, either you changed a clients.config file, edited the settings for the console in the console, or you installed I2P first. it's a minor issue, but if you want out of the box settings, you can try a reinstall. one more thing.. did you have i2p installed before you installed i2p+?
trial_
i don't think I had it already, but being not sure, is there a way to tell?
dr|z3d
ok, tell me what subscriptions you have in your addressbook via /dns
trial_
0xpastebin.i2p/ -> website not found in address book btw
trial_
dr, 67 entries
dr|z3d
I2P and I2P+ have different default subs.
dr|z3d
not the number, in the subscriptions section..
dr|z3d
ok, so that's definitely an I2P installation you started from, not an I2P+ install.
trial_
crap shitty me :(
trial_
I should stay with that or.. ?
dr|z3d
so grab that installer I linked, stop i2p, move both the .i2p and i2p folders.
dr|z3d
so i2p_old and .i2p_old
dr|z3d
then create a new i2p folder ~/i2p/
dr|z3d
copy the installer there..
dr|z3d
then run it: java -jar ./install.jar --or-- for a console install java -jar ./install.jar -console
dr|z3d
that will give you for your console, and it'll also give you a fully populated addressbook once it's pulled the subscriptions (will take a few minutes post-install)
trial_
that one i2pplus.github.io/i2pupdate.zip ?
RN
what did I say when we started today trial_? wipe and start over... LOL I agree with dr|z3d as far as making it a clean install, but keep in mind you'll have the https console and libre was giving you issues with https
dr|z3d
RN: trial was giving trial issues with https :)
dr|z3d
https on 7657 no workee. never likely to workee.
RN
you can after install switch I2P+ to accept non https for console though
RN
right
RN
gotta keep the port numbers straight
RN
also that youtube tutorial seems to be at the very least not clear in the instructions (judging from result not from watching it)
trial_
may I ask why this file link seems not listed in i2pplus.github.io/#download ?
RN
and the "feature" of closing I2P with kill when browser closed? horrible
dr|z3d
both stomycloud and incognet have I2P+ install tutorials, and maybe RTP has something.
dr|z3d
trial_: I linked you to the latest development build of the installer.
dr|z3d
you can also use: i2pplus.github.io/installers/i2pinstall_2.5.2+.exe
RN
ohh, freshly baked dev release? or a diffused release?
RN
hehehehehehhe
dr|z3d
which is slightly older, but not by much.
RN
trial_, didn't you say the console just had you restart for a new version it had downloaded?
dr|z3d
and that file _is_ linked on github.io
dr|z3d
under the development installer section.
dr|z3d
(Gitlab CI column)
trial_
dr, ah right my bad
trial_
RN, not sure, can it be someoneelse's issue you stared at ? not even sure of all my issues myself lol
dr|z3d
Blinded message
RN
hehehe
RN
well, in #i2p you had said you were restarting to apply the update
dr|z3d
also, do avail yourself of I2P+'s help section, trial_, via /help/ .. lots of questions answered there...
RN
when you came back you let me know you were moving back into satlr for dr's assistance since I2P+ is his
trial_
about to execute the installer but 1) upon recreating ~/i2p/ there was a wrapper.log file by default, is it normal?
trial_
2) got dozens of terminal consoles and lost track of where to stop i2p
trial_
so I just to into ~/i2p_old and type $ i2p graceful ?
RN
I was going to walk them through the console earlier before I got interrupted... but absolutely read the in console help docs regardless of which version you use
RN
i2prouter graceful
RN
or again, do it from the console, use the shutdown button
trial_
RN, ah right, brb in few mins then
RN
make sure to wait for the process to end before starting the installer
trial_
got ya
RN
check top or htop or something to see when all the java processes are gone
RN
the log file was written by the instance you still have running even though you removed the directory it was running from
RN
you created the new dir and the running router could write there again
RN
if you still see message trial_ once it is shut down, probably delete that log file
RN
then do the new install
RN
dr|z3d, would the logfile being there pre-install affect anything?
dr|z3d
log file?
dr|z3d
he's going to move his i2p and .i2p folders, so no.
RN
yeah, trial deleted the dir without shutting down the router first, then when they made the new dir a log file appeared, read above
dr|z3d
move i2p and .i2p and no issue, fresh install. forget to move either, issues.
RN
he didn't shut down before moving
RN
then created new dir
RN
and logfile appeared
dr|z3d
yeah, so repeat the process after shutting down. aka read what I wrote above and follow. :)
dr|z3d
<dr|z3d> so grab that installer I linked, stop i2p, move both the .i2p and i2p folders.
dr|z3d
*in that order*
dr|z3d
and wait for I2P to be stopped before moving anything. ~/i2p/i2prouter stop for the quickest method.
RN
yeah, I think that trial_ didn't realize it takes about 11 min to shut down, so they told it to shut down, then moved the dirs
dr|z3d
live and learn.
RN
here they go...
RN
fingers crossed
dr|z3d
if you've got multiple addressbook subscriptions in your addressbook, including reg.i2p and skank.i2p, you have a fresh install, trial.
RN
probably a good idea to check out that tuto and see if they just are not clear, or are flat wrong and note in comments... but I also don't have a youtube acct to post with and cant be bothered to make one now
trial
yeah I'll give it a watch again
RN
welcome back
trial
just for y'all maintainers, I think I know why I got i2p installed previously
trial
after $ java -jar ./install.jar -console
trial
I tried $ i2prouter start
trial
which apt prompted me to install i2p from its repos
RN
ah
RN
put the full path (or make an alias)
trial
this time I just thought again and tried $ ./i2prouter
RN
or move into the dir
trial
i was already within ~/i2p but it was the ./
dr|z3d
always ~/i2p/i2prouter or, better still, install the service.
RN
oh, yeah your os likes the ./
trial
anyway, now it launched chromium as in the beginning
RN
you can configre that in console
RN
just close chormium
trial
and it's telling console Not secure
trial
iirc, i had to go in router.console file to give librewolf path, right?
RN
go to console in browser that was working (libre?)
dr|z3d
it's using your OS default. and not secure you can ignore and click through. not secure == self-signed cert.
RN
don't do it in the file, use the webui (console)
dr|z3d
no, he needs to use the router.config file to configure the browser.
RN
really, if you are leaving it running 24/7 you don't need it to open your prefered browser for you
dr|z3d
routerconsole.browser={/path/to/browser}
RN
in my opinion anyway
RN
^^^^^
trial
127.0.0.1:7667/help/advancedsettings -> this page isn't working
trial
i'm gonna edit the file, someone from here already solved this for me few days ago
trial
to launch librewolf
dr|z3d
that was me. :)
trial
ah lol then I follow king's link
dr|z3d
routerconsole.browser=/usr/bin/librewolf probably.
dr|z3d
remember, don't edit router.config in i2p/ edit it in .i2p/
trial
oh link wasn't interactive it's just a help page, i see
RN
can you get that setting in /configadvanced once activated?
dr|z3d
all the files in i2p are "template" files when it comes to settings apart from wrapper.config, they're copied to .i2p when you first run i2p/i2p+ without a pre-existing .i2p folder.
trial
ah got it this time, thanks
RN
(or if you accidentally run it as a different user)
dr|z3d
we'll fix that next, RN. service install.
RN
right
RN
not sure trial is 100% on board with it running 24/7 yet though...
RN
at least they are not using kill to stop it now
RN
:)
dr|z3d
*** chuckles. ***
trial
k I modified it and now I have to graceful command right ? restarting from the webUI won't close chromium to launch librewolf right?
dr|z3d
just leave it running for now. then when you next restart, it should open librewolf.
dr|z3d
and assuming you did it right, restarting from the console (webui) should launch librewolf next time.
trial
RN, tbh I was thinking about sharing my bandwidth as long as I use the browser, a bit like torrent clients. But it seems there's unpleasant delay at startup, + if I experience no issue regarding cloudflare I may decide to support the project by running it 24/7, as it'll have ticked its mission
dr|z3d
if you open ~/i2p/i2prouter in your text editor and find the line RUN_AS_USER .. add the user you installed I2P+ as there.
dr|z3d
eg RUN_AS_USER=trial
trial
btw if y'all are in touch with devs it should be easier to name console webUI, as y'all know console in linux world is something else lol
dr|z3d
linux terminals don't have the monopoly on the word console :)
dr|z3d
but if you want to modify the name displayed in the browser, you can do that in +
dr|z3d
sort of, anyways.
trial
dr|z3d, uncommenting line 69 right?
dr|z3d
if it's commented, uncomment it. RUN_AS_USER=trial or whatever username you installed under.
trial
done guys
dr|z3d
ok. now this: sudo /home/yourusername/i2p/i2prouter install
dr|z3d
that will install the service component which is an altogether better way to manage the service.
trial
tabulating $ sudo /home/myusernamehere/i2p
trial
doesn't find i2prouter
trial
oh ok it was $ sudo ./i2prouter install
dr|z3d
it won't prevent you from running ~/i2p/i2prouter stop/start/restart/status either.
dr|z3d
but, if you don't have it autostarting at bootup, which you should do for best network performance, you can start I2P+ with service i2p start
dr|z3d
or rather, sudo service i2p start
trial
hmm got ya, it's a building block for the 24/7 stuff
dr|z3d
longer you're online, the better integrated your router, the better you'll find the network.
dr|z3d
ok, next..
trial
got it
dr|z3d
using sudo, copy eephead eepget and i2ping to /usr/bin/
dr|z3d
and then edit those 3 files and provide the location of your i2p install as per the instructions at the top of each file.
dr|z3d
if you did that right, just typing: eephead skank.i2p should invoke eephead and test the response headers on skank.i2p
trial
i needa edit the 3 files from ~/i2p or the ones now in /usr/bin/ ?
dr|z3d
the ones in usr/bin
dr|z3d
the ones in i2p already know where the i2p app dir is because they're in them.
dr|z3d
*in it
dr|z3d
eepget sitename.i2p/foo.zip will attempt to pull a resource with a progress report.
dr|z3d
like wget or curl, but for i2p.
dr|z3d
and i2ping will ping an i2p hostname, i2ping cake.i2p for example.
trial
got it, done!
dr|z3d
great. you might next want to visit 126.0.0.1:7677/configui
dr|z3d
check alternate fonts and embed i2psnark and i2pmail boxes, save.
dr|z3d
see if the alternate font works better for you.
dr|z3d
i2psnark and i2pmail will run inside the console UI. you may prefer that.
trial
opened librewolf, it did redirect me to the console once i accepted the risk
trial
then opened a new tab : 126.0.0.1:7677/configui -> the proxy server is refusing connections
dr|z3d
127, sorry. typo.
dr|z3d
you need to be able to spot these too...
trial
127.0.0.1:7677/configui -> unable to connect
dr|z3d
everything 127.0.0.1 while you're accessing the console locally.
dr|z3d
7667
dr|z3d
see, I'm testing you...
trial
ahaha not bad
RN
hehehehe
RN
dr never makes typos.
RN
;)
dr|z3d
:)
RN
just don't switch to bsd
RN
hehehehe
dr|z3d
make sure you configure your bandwidth on /config
trial
irl doctorS whole handwriting is typos for mere mortal eyes tho xD anyways i digress
dr|z3d
more you share, better your overall performance
trial
toggling alternative font doesn't seem to change anything?
dr|z3d
try ctrl+shift+r
dr|z3d
it should do.
trial
oh ok i just forgot to hit apply
dr|z3d
kill me now.
trial
i don't see any difference when toggling i2psnark and mail tho
trial
it's supposed to show up in service tunnels?
dr|z3d
if that's toggle on, then when you visit those pages, they'll be embedded in the console UI.
trial
ah got it, done then
dr|z3d
otherwise, they'll be in their own window without the console "wrapper"
dr|z3d
and by now if you visit your addressbook you should see a few more than 67 entries..
trial
0xpastebin.i2p -> not found in addressbook
trial
you're right, 164 :)
dr|z3d
you'll see more soon, takes a while for subs to be pulled first time.
trial
it worked ! :)
trial
now is there a way to fix this lock icon on the left of url bar ?
trial
it shows strikedthrough for http i2p sites
dr|z3d
as for 0x paste, 0xpaste.i2p is probably what you're looking for. if that's not in your addressbook, it will be soon. or use a jump link if you can't wait.
dr|z3d
ignore it.
dr|z3d
it's wrong.
RN
s/wrapper/frame/ #to not conflate terms with other parts of I2P
trial
and it shows exclamation sign for exception on the router webUI
dr|z3d
yup, because your browser doesn't know that i2p is end-to-end encrypted to treats http as unencrypted.
dr|z3d
*so
dr|z3d
so I wouldn't worry about it.
trial
i mean i know that y'all teach me well on that
trial
but if I were to hand the browser to some grannies or idk
RN
that's the part I was telling you trial you'd have to educate your family about the lock icon
trial
they'd panic i guess
trial
RN, ah got it
RN
they'll get over it if they understand
RN
;)
trial
k it can reach clear web no issues, tho with hell lot of delay
RN
also you will need to explore your assumptions about what "anonymized browsing" and get a good understanding before you try to expalin to them
trial
broken (or me not knowing my stuff)-tutorial was adding a second outproxy iirc
dr|z3d
the longer you leave it running, the faster access to clearnet will be, to a point. router needs to get baked into the network.
RN
yep. outernet is not what I2P is made for, it is mostly there to protect users from bad sites trying to de-anon you by loading fonts from goodle or such
RN
dr, which outproxy you got in by default these days?
dr|z3d
not entirely true, RN, but that's a question of opinion :)
trial
RN, yeah google fonts are evil :(
dr|z3d
still purokishi.
dr|z3d
which does a bunch of adblocking and tracker blocking.
RN
trial, it is just a matter of adding that in the config via the webui, a comma and outproxy name
RN
puroshiki is good imho
trial
in tunnel manager?
trial
yeah the youtuber was adding purokishi
RN
purokishi, stormy and any others have different features...
dr|z3d
multihomed, fast 5Gb/s connections on all of them.
RN
I'd just leave the outproxy default for I2P+ in my opinion
RN
just note as dr said they do block trackers and adds and some sites in my exp
dr|z3d
ping me if it's not working. occasionally one of the multihomes craps out.
dr|z3d
blocks porn. use tor if you want that :)
trial
ok but will I be notified smh if the single point of failure crashes for me ?
trial
otherwise i'd go with two for failover
RN
sometimes blocking trackers may interfere with account registrations in my exp
trial
oh no tbh i browse my 4k corn videos on my clear browser lmao
RN
corn porn... interesting fettish
dr|z3d
you'll just be unable to connect to any sites until you cycle to the next multihome, though very soon that'll be fixed. multiple points of failure, but try it for a while and let me know if you have issues.
trial
living in a country where it's better to upload tiktoks than to advertise we're into dev and freedom lol
dr|z3d
you may have a US or NL ip, depending on which backend server you're using.
RN
that helps me understand your use case
trial
meaning outproxies each have a machine in US and NL ?
RN
multiples
trial
Or some are US based and some others are NL based?
dr|z3d
multihomed == one b32, multiple backends.
trial
idk what is b32
dr|z3d
b32 = hostname, in essence.
dr|z3d
think of it as an ip address, only for i2p.
RN
it is a form of address used by I2P. yep
trial
hmm ok
dr|z3d
foo.i2p = askdjlsadjw375y3294782fj3489yt92tg2983yg9823f.b32.i2p
dr|z3d
look in your addressbook, you'll see mappings.
trial
i see
trial
and the dns table is torrented between each individual's router?
RN
most of the time though, just focus on the readable one foo.i2p in dr's example
dr|z3d
no
dr|z3d
you add subscriptions which each pull from an address.
dr|z3d
there is no torrenting, but you can share your addressbook with others, though I wouldn't recommend it.
trial
hmm ok, my brain isn't into homenetwork science these days tbh
RN
that is covered in the help docs
trial
will dive in internals later
trial
current mission was to register on a platform to ask shits about android apps
dr|z3d
with the I2P+ subscriptions (urls) you've basically got every alive site on the network bar a few nasties.
trial
ok
dr|z3d
once your router has managed to pull down the subs. updates happen regularly.
RN
you should be set now to give that android site a go
trial
So now regarding i2p my only last step is to make it 24/7 right?
trial
for minimizing delay
dr|z3d
see the subscriptions -> logs section in your addressbook to see what's new.
RN
yep
trial
currently i still have to ./i2prouter start manually at each boot right?
dr|z3d
it's already 24/7 if you installed the service.
dr|z3d
you can confirm it's enabled with sudo systemctl enable i2p
trial
and btw where was the section for adding one outproxy, in case i need it someday?
dr|z3d
will auto-start on boot, or should.
dr|z3d
http proxy -> config in tunnel manager.
trial
$ sudo systemctl status i2p
trial
*
trial
enable would be for triggering i think
dr|z3d
no.
dr|z3d
that would ensure that it's automatically starting. it won't do anything other than confirm it's on autostart if it is.
trial
â—Ź i2p.service - LSB: I2P Service
trial
Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/i2p; generated)
trial
Active: inactive (dead)
trial
ah got ya
dr|z3d
so when you boot, should startup without intervention. to control it, use the webui (mostly)
dr|z3d
grab the i2p+ torrents and add them to snark if you want to integrate a bit faster, and to help i2p+
dr|z3d
linked on skank.i2p or tracker2.postman.i2p
trial
dr, http proxy -> config in tunnel manager.
dr|z3d
under clients.
trial
i'd hit "+" ?
dr|z3d
no. hit the name next to cog.
dr|z3d
HTTP Proxy or whatever it's called.
trial
ok well noted
dr|z3d
purokishi.i2p,exit.stormycloud.i2p,outproxy.acetone.i2p for all 3 outproxy services, but as I say, try purokishi for a while and let me know if you bump into issues.
trial
also where to see how many bandwidth i'm handing ? and what would be the procedure the day i throttle ?
dr|z3d
> /config
dr|z3d
and the config section in i2psnark.
trial
k I'm keeping only one for now
trial
webUI home > configure bandwidth ?
dr|z3d
that's it.
trial
up and down values are set for me or for community users?
RN
also, you might want to take a look at /graphs
RN
will give you some basic info there with default config. you may want to add other graphs later as you gain experience and comprehension of the inner workings
trial
good choice would be 1/[total people in the fam]*max speed ?
RN
all using the same router? or each with their own computer with their own router?
dr|z3d
good choice is whatever your isp provides.
trial
and then 50% of my internet pizza slice handed to the network?
dr|z3d
then scale the share percentage to something like 70%
dr|z3d
it won't use that much.
trial
say one router for the whole fam
dr|z3d
but the more you share, the more "interesting" your router will appear to other routers.
trial
and me sharing on my behalf my bandwidth slice with the i2p community
dr|z3d
give it isp in/out, 70% share and then see how you get on.
trial
intereseting meaning less delay?
dr|z3d
you can always adjust later.
dr|z3d
interesting meaning more likely to be used by other routers, which in turn makes your router more performant on the network.
trial
wait y'all i have dummy issues
trial
oh ok no it's bytes on the left and bits on the right
dr|z3d
down is for you, up is for others.
dr|z3d
at the bottom you'll see both Mb/s and KB/s
trial
yep, yet when I upload a file, i'm capped by the up speed I set, right?
dr|z3d
not really. you're capped by the intermediate routers between you and the site you're sending to.
RN
the limits and caps in I2P are generally not hard-enforced but more like guidelines
RN
and what dr just said
RN
slowest link in the chain
trial
i see
dr|z3d
so in and out, set those to isp values.
RN
but the higher you are capable and set, the more your router CAN do
trial
i mean, at first step, first bottleneck is my up speed setting, right?
dr|z3d
the network share is the only value you want to tweak, but as I said, 70% initially, tweak later.
RN
I like to think the first bottleneck is network_need
trial
hmm unclear but ok it will do xD
RN
if you are configured as gigabit (and isp actually has) but the network only needs 50Mbit then you won't get to Gig
dr|z3d
if you're on fiber, you'll hit inter-router speeds long before you hit anything configured.
trial
so ISP specs then I'd share 0.5*[1/people in the fam]%
RN
yup
dr|z3d
forget the fancy algorithm. 70% share.
RN
if everyone is using the same router and browser on the same machine do like dr said
dr|z3d
and then adjust later if that appears to be using too much b/w
trial
i see
RN
i2prouter won't know who is at the keyboard
uop23ip
Hi, does someone know which versions are blocked by router.blockOldRouters?
dr|z3d
you're running I2P+ so you won't easily max out your allocated up bandwidth
RN
if you start a torrent, then later cousin joe starts one, both are running on same machine
dr|z3d
because you're throttling routers that ask for too much, and banning routers that are just plian abusive.
RN
uop23ip, depends if Canon or Plus
trial
ok
dr|z3d
u5657: 0.9.60 and earlier iirc.
RN
I think Plus is like one version, and Canon tries to be more backward compatible
uop23ip
interested in both :)
dr|z3d
RN: canon doesn't have that config.
RN
ah
dr|z3d
uop23ip: generally 1 or two versions behind current.
RN
so yeah, then Canon doesn't block old routers unless identified by attack countermeasures
dr|z3d
and not all routers, just low bandiwith and unreachable routers.
trial
so in the end i2p is like tor, with a parallel i2p web unsurveiled bc going through volunteer nodes?
dr|z3d
like Tor, only different. more focus on internal web, less centralized.
RN
there is a good page to expalin that trial give me a sec to get the link
trial
yet I don't get how with less than a dozen outproxies it manages to go through cloudflare's net
trial
glad i got the concept dr thanks
dr|z3d
shouldn't hit cloudflare for most sites.
trial
userbase is much smaller than tor's one i guess
dr|z3d
if you are bumping into cloudflare, it may be something other than the ip of the outproxy causing that.
trial
therefore having a website is free on the i2p web i guess?
dr|z3d
sure, userbase is smaller, number of routers vs nodes, probably much larger.
RN
websites are free, just keep your router running (or run others in other locations)
dr|z3d
totally free, no charge for hosting if you provide it yourself, and "dns" registration is also free.
uop23ip
so plus: only current, and canon: generally 1 or two versions behind current, correct?
trial
very sweet concept <3
dr|z3d
no
dr|z3d
wrong, uop23ip
trial
so for cloudflare it's only a matter of outproxies/userbase threshold?
RN
uop23ip, no. Plus 1 or 2 prev, Canon: no blocking by version
dr|z3d
+ will by default block routers one or two versions behind if they are a) slow and b) unreachable (firewalled). canon enforces no such blocks, but does block a certain class of router that's known to be abusive.
trial
for clear web the number of routers making i2p is useless right?
dr|z3d
clearnet, you're limited to the number of outproxies, which currently stands at around 3, officially.
uop23ip
ok, thanks
trial
i see
trial
so 3/how many active users on average at a time T ?
dr|z3d
of course you can disable that as you see fit, uop23ip, with the config setting you referenced.
RN
keep in mind, those three outproxy operators mostly have more than one physical machine, likely in different parts of the globe
trial
ah good to know
RN
active users is tricky to measure
RN
irc user numbers... probably around 100 max varying over time
trial
i see, even tho I won't assume we're only 100 lol
RN
for an estimate of active routers, stats.i2p has some graphs. but it is intentionally made hard to be exact.
trial
for tor it's like 6M users for 6000 exit nodes, so cloudflare doesn't want 1000 peeps by node
RN
your router will be aware of a slice of them.... enough to function and over time function well...
trial
oh wait no it's 60M users
RN
but knowing the exact size is tricky... I think stats.i2p has a very good estimate.
trial
so at worst 10k peeps each visiting sites tied to cloudflare
RN
also, keep in mind not all active routers have a useer doing something at any particular time
trial
i2p project has been created longtime ago isn't it?
RN
about 20 years
trial
RN, yes and not all are visiting a website tied to cloudflare, but it's becoming the norm I feel, webmasters have no opinion and choose easiness
RN
I2P+ came later when dr decided to make his own to get more access to do things his way
RN
I think i2pd came before Plus but I am not 100% sure on the timing
trial
i can't believe 20 years on a opensource project can't gather way more than 100 lol but it's ok i don't wanna know
RN
many others have started a new iplementation in other prog lang, but most don't stick around
trial
was just for me to feel what threshold is applying cloudflare evil
RN
100 on IRC
RN
many users don't use this specific irc
RN
also there is a big chunk of mostly Russian users on their own irc
RN
i2pd is tied to Russia and so they have their own irc called Ilita
trial
interesting
trial
how many people are there on there?
RN
I think I remember hearing around 6K routers?
trial
little detail about firefox, how to set custom home URL so that it opens router in a tab, but lands on another empty tab ready to browse ?
trial
like : 127.0.0.1:7667/home|
trial
tho like this I'll land on router
RN
oh, around 8K
trial
good! :)
trial
so ~3K peeps/clear node at worst
dr|z3d
trial: also worth mentioning re b/w, instead of lowering your share, you can limit the number of tunnels you route for others if the b/w usage gets too high. better this way. router.maxParticipatingTunnels=xxx where the default is 8000 for standard systems, or 2000 for android.
RN
trial, set firefox to open same tabs as last time and always leave the console and empty tab when you exit firefox
dr|z3d
android/arm
dr|z3d
you can just set your homepage to 127.0.0.1:7667,about:blank
RN
that's probably the easiest way to achieve what you asked
dr|z3d
not sure if is needed with about:blank
dr|z3d
probably not.
RN
hmmm... if dr
RN
s suggestion works that is better
dr|z3d
should do, you can have multiple homepages in firefox.
RN
I have my browser open with just a local html file pinned.
RN
in that html I have a link to router and links for other things I use often.
RN
(actually the router link I use goes to the graphs page - easy enough to get to other parts from there)
RN
I did get fancy and pull the favicon links for each one for a while, till that started triggering the rate limits on some of the sites and the icons wouldn't load till limit expired
RN
now I moved the ones with rate limits to another html file linked in the first
RN
but important to keep the number of links to just what you use the most, otherwise what's the bookmark feature for
trial
wow I like this setup ! *-* won't ever go this much in detail tho I know my lazy self :'(
RN
:)
dr|z3d
why not just grab the favicons and serve them locally?
trial
127.0.0.1:7667|about:blank"> 127.0.0.1:7667|about:blank does the same as 127.0.0.1:7667| , isn't it ?
RN
well, after ~20 years I ended up here
trial
couldn't make the comma to work
RN
the point of the icons was to show if the site was up, so local cache defeats purpose
dr|z3d
oh, yeah, you might be right, | is the separator.
RN
next to icon is name
trial
damn how could I let 20 years before hearing about this project xD i feel bad
RN
icon and name are in the link
dr|z3d
ah
RN
don't feel bad, I2P is more on the down low as the kids say...
RN
sure we want more users, but not to the point of stressing the code's ability to scale
RN
Plus I2P doesn't have the funding of bigger sister Tor
dr|z3d
bah, we can scale. bring on the users!
RN
:D
dr|z3d
ideally users on fiber. those we like best.
RN
sure dr, it is much less a concern about scaling these days than it was say 10-15 years ago
RN
but that lag in marketing has kept I2P a better kept secret
trial
yeah btw that stormy tutorial speeks about ssh
trial
this means for a dedicated appliance or vps i guess
trial
meaning there's no clear tutorial on the web for setting it up
trial
nor on youtube
RN
ssh if you are familiar with it is a powerful tool, if you are not familiar, add it to your to-read list
dr|z3d
setting what up?
trial
it would benefit greatly
trial
setting up i2p
dr|z3d
you don't need ssh if you're running i2p locally.
trial
idk if the instructions you guys gave me were already somewhere on the internet
dr|z3d
there's a huge chunk of stuff right in your I2P+ console in the /help section.
RN
no trial, there's plenty of info online about setting up i2p, your mistake was picking an unclear youtube tutorial
trial
speaks*$
trial
yeah i guess x'D
RN
you just got in over your head. keep it simple and get the basics working first. you had no way to know.
dr|z3d
if there's anything that you think should be there that isn't, let me know, or, better still, write it and pass it this way :)
trial
well lazy me will never
RN
as you use it, you'll get more familiar and thus more capable of trying more advanced stuff.
dr|z3d
well, lazy you can stay lazy and run your own blog.
dr|z3d
:)
trial
but imo picking a ytber with a decent viewerbase and handing him a script would help a lot
trial
both the project and newcomers
dr|z3d
RTP does better than most.
trial
yeah not there yet xD
dr|z3d
and he's right here!
RN
also, now that you are here. start with the console help docs, then the I2P website/eepsite docs, then ask community or look on internal sites before you resort to youtube
trial
rtp is a youtuber?
dr|z3d
so, tell him what you want.
trial
danggggg this is him !!!
RN
although I hear acetone has some good info on youtube (acetone is a Ru user so may be more leanign toward i2pd compared to Canon or Plus)
trial
amazing
trial
last very detail, idk if you'll know
trial
running debian KDE in here
RN
KDE!
trial
pulled librewolf, but the app icon won't show once I pinned into taskbar?
RN
yuck
RN
I had similar issues with firefox
trial
remember how you solved it?
RN
but I was trying to do some fancy stuff
RN
solution was to forget the pin and just use the desktop icon
dr|z3d
run XFCE, quickest fix imaginable.
RN
hehehehe
trial
indeed XFCE doesn't suffer from horribly displaying the few gnome apps :'(
RN
also
RN
your librewolf install has been tinkered with a lot... might need a restart of kde and/or a clean install of librewolf
RN
beyond that... I'd refer to the kde and librewolf support places/wikis/etc
trial
ah right i rarely restart!
trial
anyway i'll search the internet i'm sure it's a common issue with kde
RN
nice thing though, if you restart kde, I2P should stay running
trial
thanks a BUNCH y'all Gurus, long live this project
RN
at least now
trial
yup
trial
have a good weekend
trial
OH WAIT
trial
how about suspending?
dr|z3d
be good, trial, or don't get caught.
trial
bandwidth is still shared?
RN
suspending the sytem will likely screw up I2P
RN
^^
dr|z3d
suspending will severely impact your "interesting" status.
RN
suspend and hibernate will cause clock to jump when reactivated, and that is just one thing that will mess with it
dr|z3d
as well as harm your network performance.
RN
yep
RN
when you shut down I2P there is a reason it takes 10-12 minuts
dr|z3d
you want to remain interesting, trial. so if you can, keep i2p running 24/7.
RN
it is still keeping the tunnels for promises your router made until each expires
RN
that's the graceful part
trial
i mean no worries getting a dedicated appliance/VM for it is planned
trial
but for now y'all are telling it's better to clean shutdown i2p before suspending, did i get it right?
dr|z3d
if you want a reliable, i2p-friendly vps provider, you can do a lot worse than incognet.i2p
RN
until you get a deditcated appliance, use the shutdown button or use the graceful command. at least then next time you start it should connect up quicker
dr|z3d
shutdown i2p from webui, then suspend, if you must.
RN
^^^
dr|z3d
but make sure i2p is shutdown before suspending, which may entail an 11 minute wait.
RN
incognet.i2p is great! I've seen how their systems perform.
trial
what i noted : best to stop i2p before you suspend. or just don't suspend. suspending the sytem will likely screw up I2P. shutdown i2p from webui, then suspend, if you must. otherwise it's 10M of reconnection bc of linejump
trial
y'all confirm on this sentence?
trial
10min
RN
if I could afford one, I'd choose them before any other
dr|z3d
the good thing about irc is that you can re-read things that you'd didn't understand the first time.
trial
ah right ctrl+F works i didn't know
dr|z3d
or your scroll wheel.
trial
idk in my head it's first one has to selfhost and then one has to georeplicate on a vps
RN
they didn't pay me to say that, but they _could_
RN
:)
dr|z3d
or your eyes, though that's not always a given :)
trial
got it! gonna see once i have less shits to solve whether i can script a clean shutdown each time i order a suspend
cumlord
Yes 🙌🏻
RN
well hello there mr slimey sticky
cumlord
If you’re meaning wait 10mins for all tunnels to close
RN
don't set a number on it, it sometimes takes a little more than 10
RN
just check if the service or java is still running
RN
service I2P status
cumlord
Hey I’m crust half the time
RN
or other command line foo to check for the process
RN
or a pid file!
RN
I like the pid file myself
RN
turned it on for monit
RN
use it for other purposes now
RN
and... my show is now available for steaming... time to see what Parker finds...
RN
oh, surpirse! also a new "the boys" today!!!
cumlord
This is the way, do you do some monitoring with that?
cumlord
Shit the boys dropped?
cumlord
Seein weds, maybe there’s a leak I don’t see yet
RN
according to nextepisode.net a special drops today
RN
so maybe not a full episode
RN
re monitoring, you mean monit? yeah, is a quick dashboard configured to keep track of system, and can stop/start some services automatically
dr|z3d
handy tool, monit.
RN
verry customizable...
RN
yep
RN
mine plays SOS if isp drops connection
RN
among other things
RN
I think I also have it talk a little with espeak
RN
been a while since it had anything to complain about so I forget
cumlord
how have I lived my life without this
cumlord
Ah ok that makes sense watching for it incase of leaks
cumlord
Gonna have to set that up my solution is half baked at best
RN
cumlord, if you are playing with monit, I suggest the subdirectory option for config files and aside from the basic stuff in the default config, I have a separate file for each thing. eg. .../monitrc, .../monit.d/i2p .../monit.d/somecustomthing .../monit.d/znc etc...
RN
I think there's hints about this in the main config
not_bob
trial seems go have the hang of things now!
RN
yeah they're getting there
RN
nice clean setup now, thanks mostly I think do Dr.
RN
LOL neither of our tee keys work
not_bob
:(
not_bob
That's not good.
RN
hehe
not_bob
How are you holding up?
not_bob
wb cumlord
not_bob
Anyway, I'm tired. Sleep for me.
not_bob
later all!
RN
I'm ok, rest well not_blob_afk
cumlord
thanks for the tidbit rn still getting around to getting it setup, had another hdd failure really gotta get around to switching fully to ssd
cumlord
oh good glad trial got the hang of it though
RN
shat full ssd? they don't like writes
RN
still not seeing the the boys special yet
T3s|4
cumlord: even if you don't run Arch, here's a decent monit intro/overview: wiki.archlinux.org/title/Monit
cumlord
true, i've been putting a couple of them through a lot of wear to see what happens and so far so good, if they can last as long as hdds i'm on board
cumlord
this even does SMART too are you kidding me
cumlord
overview is perfect i'm grabbing it
T3s|4
cumlord: you can always search wiki.archlinux.org for thousands of computer topics. If you use DDG, their bang shourtcut is `!aw` - for example `!aw sudo` :D
cumlord
alright that's a pretty neat trick, wonder if can be added into searxng easily
dr|z3d
zzz: curveball for you. LargestTriangleThreeBuckets and cubic spline interpolation.
dr|z3d
You'd be forgiven for not knowing what I'm talking about, so I'll give you a hint. Downsampling for the graph data.
dr|z3d
The downsampling algorithm I've tested, cubic spline interpolation I've yet to figure out how to activate.
zzz
pfft. was doing cubic splines in fortran 40 years ago
dr|z3d
pfft to you too :)
dr|z3d
not saying you don't know what they are, just the context might have been a bit vague.
dr|z3d
The main takeaway is that rrd4j supports downsampling and cubic splines, so for _some_ of the graphs, perhaps for longer periods, it might make sense.
dr|z3d
this commit adds the required files for downsampling: git.skank.i2p/i2pplus/I2P.Plus/commit/3dfc5064927db5a7e0e9d8735da63e935b08ff51
dr|z3d
and this commit has commented out lines where the downsampler can be activated: git.skank.i2p/i2pplus/I2P.Plus/commit/a5b55aa25e0194447a011bc317f43facb358cbe8
dr|z3d
the higher the value for the LTTB downsampler, the less lossage.
dr|z3d
and it's not clear to me what the value represents. it looks like total samples per graphing period, but I'm not sure.
zzz
it;s complex, but rrd ofc is a bucketing system. I believe interpolation is a backend (data) facility for missing buckets and linearizing data samples
zzz
if you want nice curves instead of bars on the graphs, that's completely different, that's a frontend thing
zzz
and there's two levels of bucketing because we do it in RateStat/Rate before passing the average to rrd
dr|z3d
I had a brief look at the Cublic Spline stuff, looked like frontend splines/beziers to me, but maybe I didn't look hard enough.
dr|z3d
* Creates cubic spline interpolator for an array of 2D-points.
zzz
so there's at least 4 time constants, how often we collect data, the Rate bucket interval, the jrobin interval, and the graph resolution
zzz
you haven't said what you're trying to accomplish, other than that you found this spline thingy and want to turn it on? to do what?
dr|z3d
it wants to work in tandem with the downsampler it seems, so I was hoping it could output curves on the graphs, but maybe not.
dr|z3d
the "spline thingy" is a separate issue to the downsampling, which I've already got working and looks like it could be useful.
dr|z3d
this sugested it might be a frontend mod: public class CubicSplineInterpolator extends Plottable {
dr|z3d
the Plottable bit, specifically.
zzz
downsampling sounds like the opposite of interpolation to me
dr|z3d
according to the test file, you downsample and then interpolate.
zzz
you can make the graphs as pretty as you want by making all the stats and rrd buckets shorter, at a huge cost in memory/cpu/disk
dr|z3d
yeah, the idea is to use less resources, not more.
trial
cloudflare : "Please enable JS and disable adblocker" -> I disabled ublock extension from librewolf, refreshed -> "you have been blocked"
trial
how to setup some ctrl+L to change proxy as in tor ?
dr|z3d
you can't.
dr|z3d
what's the page/site?
trial
european secondhand listing site
trial
like craiglist in the us
dr|z3d
url?
trial
is it cloudflare that straight block proxies or is it up to each site's webmaster to configure?
trial
to congigure reachability*
dr|z3d
it's complex.
dr|z3d
mostly you won't get blocked on cloudflare sites, but if the site is doing some extra checks to make sure the adverts or tracking has been loaded, then you might see a block occur.
trial
got it
trial
what was the JS stuff about ?
trial
I know tor disables some, librewolf too?
dr|z3d
are you running something like noscript or umatrix addons?
trial
not even i use librewolf stock
trial
it came with ublock only
trial
or maybe noscript without advertising its icon, idk
dr|z3d
ublock may be blocking stuff, you'd have to check the ublock logs.
trial
tor doesn't have it, right ? I haven't been overwhelmed by popups on it, so i might just delete it on librewolf as well
dr|z3d
just disable it on the pages that are causing you issues, no need to delete it.
dr|z3d
and remember, purokishi blocks most adds, but not everything. use another outproxy and you'll see ads.
dr|z3d
*most ads
trial
got it thanks a lot !
trial
added a bunch of lines into ublock origin settings > trusted sites
trial
as nearly all of the onlineshops of this country are fucked up by cloudflare
trial
yet I can't hit "apply changes" it's grayed out, any idea on why?
trial
i believe only amazon and aliexpress understood reality of this world, sadly :'(
dr|z3d
if you already applied the trusted site rules, then apply changes will be grayed out. try adding another hostname.
trial
adding my batch of lines, I can only hit "revert"
trial
never "apply changes" :(
dr|z3d
as soon as you start typing there, apply changes should light up. maybe you need to enable advanced mode, dunno.
trial
(it reverts to :
trial
chrome-extension-scheme
trial
moz-extension-scheme
trial
)
dr|z3d
settings -> I am an advanced user...
trial
this and/or one line jump and/or first URL not having prefix allow me to
trial
hit it
trial
forget the one linejump
dr|z3d
yeah, just domain or ip, not protocol://
trial
ahhhh thanks a lot!
trial
www unnecessary as well?
dr|z3d
mostly.
dr|z3d
but if you find a site you want to exclude, just hit the ublock power button when you're on the site, it'll add the hostname in that list.
trial
got it
trial
I was afraid it caches the proxy for later
trial
so wanted no bump wathsoever