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@T3s|4_
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dr|z3d
NarratorZ: good article -> intpolicydigest.i2p/why-xi-wants-to-keep-the-chinese-people-poor
NarratorZ
dr|z3d:In fact, anyone with a brain can see that Xi's "anti-corruption struggle" since coming to power is more about strengthening power.The people don't get much benefit.
dr|z3d
very true, NarratorZ. it was always about eliminating potential competitors.
dr|z3d
Putin runs with the same playbook. And Erdogan, MBS. Classic tinpot dictator play :)
NarratorZ
China's network architecture is so monstrous that most of the country's users are concentrated under the 10 backbone networks of the three major carriers. And the traffic abroad cannot be bypassed in Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou😂️
NarratorZ
dr|z3d:Well, China and Russia are in cahoots
NarratorZ
I suspect that no country can escape the temptation of totalitarianism in the current global trend to the right
dr|z3d
indeed, indeed
NarratorZ
There is an interesting meme on the Chinese Internet.
NarratorZ
Who knows what the next ten years will be like in bad times🤣️
dr|z3d
you're cleared for takeoff, breezer
breezer
<dr|z3d> thx :)
NarratorZ
Hi breezer👋️
breezer
<NarratorZ> 👋️
breezer
was reading about china ... >> totally agree
NarratorZ
The combination of I2P + distributed storage is a safe and effective way to distribute information for dissidents in dangerous areas, but unfortunately we don't have a good distributed storage solution - freenet is too old, LAFS can't get everyone on board, and IPFS is simply a privacy black hole.
T3s|4
NarratorZ: 1. thanks for bringing that Chinese i2p traffic paper to zzz's attention. I've read it. I've also read the zzz - orignal traffic on this topic on #ls2. 2. If it does not create a problem for you, can you disclose if Mandarin is your native language, here? 3. If it is, your command of English is impressive :)
NarratorZ
Ah, Mandarin is indeed my native language. Most of the credit probably goes to DeepL, I always have the machine translator cross-translate once when I'm not quite sure how to type🤣️
T3s|4
NarratorZ: really ^good stuff :D
dr|z3d
NarratorZ: ditributed storage, perhaps.. there's a sub-project idk's working on that distributes sites via bittorrent. elsewise, just some good hosting works.
NarratorZ
freenet's vision of distributed storage was inherited by ipfs, which is unfortunately only a toy for blockchain speculators
dr|z3d
senpaiNikolai: welcome back. you been gone a while :)
NarratorZ
Of course, perhaps the more pressing issue now is to make it easier for more people to start using I2P - we need a one-click installer like the Tor Browser bundle, and right now this one-click installer doesn't seem to be working properly
NarratorZ
But the i2pd browser bundle is working well
dr|z3d
stick to I2P+, you'll be fine :)
NarratorZ
I2P+ is still the best experience - bar none
dr|z3d
the problem with making things _too_ easy is that it lowers the expectation of the user that their input is required.
dr|z3d
you know, it's good to have to configure your browser, modify some settings. it gives you a sense of how things function.
NarratorZ
But for rookies who can only click, I would recommend then i2pd browser bundle
dr|z3d
today's rookie is tomorrow's expert :)
dr|z3d
and that's the thing.. you make it too easy, the end user will treat it like just another point click experience. if you make the user invest some time in configuration, discovery, then they'll have more invested and likely hang around longer.
T3s|4
dr|z3d: spot on; especially among the 'willing to read/learn' cohort :)
NarratorZ
The process of configuration is also the process of learning, I have to pit more people to translate the website😇️
dr|z3d
you want to translate skank.i2p/index.html I'll happily host it :)
dr|z3d
that is, if you see value.
dr|z3d
if not, no worries.
NarratorZ
Yes, "It's better to give a man a fish than to teach him to fish."
dr|z3d
the opposite I think you mean :)
NarratorZ
Sure I can！
NarratorZ
How to start?
dr|z3d
to start? view-source:http://skank.i2p/index.html
dr|z3d
save that, translate, send me the results :)
NarratorZ
Okay, this is the only page anyway
dr|z3d
yeah, it's not a huge site. just the essential info.
NarratorZ
Give me some time... I'll be back later.
dr|z3d
T3s|4: people who want a tor browser like experience with i2p will be easily disappointed.
dr|z3d
no rush at all.
T3s|4
NarratorZ: as an aside, I've NEVER met an American kid who wanted to take a photo with a fish that someone gave to them. EVERY American kid wants to show their parents their photo of the FIRST fish (and the hundreds more, later) they caught by themselves ;p
T3s|4
dr|z3d: ^noted
senpaiNikolai
dr|z3d, its been a long time
dr|z3d
you good, senpaiNikolai?
senpaiNikolai
had a lot of things to do and study
senpaiNikolai
ye everything is fine here now fortunately
senpaiNikolai
and you? How u doing
dr|z3d
excellent!
dr|z3d
not bad, thanks
senpaiNikolai
I saw through reddit a lot of posts about i2p newbie and darknet markets, what is going on I am confused
dr|z3d
storm in a teacup.
dr|z3d
some people aren't happy with the flow of traffic and having to support new users who want to access dread.i2p
senpaiNikolai
dread.i2p? didn't know that site was on i2p
dr|z3d
should be in your i2p+ addressbook.
senpaiNikolai
only used it one time a year ago
senpaiNikolai
through tor
dr|z3d
it also features on /home
senpaiNikolai
ye I have to do a big update of i2p lol
senpaiNikolai
router was down for like 5 months
dr|z3d
ouch!
dr|z3d
be sure to register your new nick, breeezer, or link it to breezer.
NarratorZ
I'm almost done, catching a bug: all the onion icons and garlic icons are in the opposite position
dr|z3d
don't worry too much about the css, I can fix that.
dr|z3d
if anyone wants to translate skank.i2p/index.html into Russian, I won't complain :)
NarratorZ
Last check being done
dr|z3d
*thumbs up*
NarratorZ
cake.i2p/file/NcV3IrxOUR_44WYoCv2YmqTflo84bSfqKCky8XC7N_ItpyXnkLYy/I2P+%20%E5%BD%93%E5%89%8D%E7%89%88%E6%9C%AC%EF%BC%9A1.9.0+
dr|z3d
very nice, NarratorZ, thanks.
NarratorZ
Just make a little contribution, you're welcome
dr|z3d
have you got the download link handy?
dr|z3d
if I look at the source, there, it injects browser crap.
NarratorZ
🤔️
dr|z3d
or a zip file? :)
NarratorZ
hold on
NarratorZ
I'm on my way
dr|z3d
thanks!
NarratorZ
Head is lost,I added it back
senpaiNikolai
finally router is back online with 1.9.0
senpaiNikolai
time to search for new sites
dr|z3d
1.9.0 or 1.9.0+ ? :)
dr|z3d
either way, you probably want to update to 1.9.-13+
senpaiNikolai
uh wait
senpaiNikolai
the router had a fallback to vanilla
senpaiNikolai
shit
senpaiNikolai
time to update again nvm
dr|z3d
update policy -> notify only.
dr|z3d
then you can select which update you want. I2P+ updates always indicated as Unsigned I2P+ Update in the sidebar.
NarratorZ
cake.i2p/file/v72ynjn1ZZ_nm3XBumHuiD06iG2IJsrhfgxPmEOv6_vFqRVtYmhX/I2P+%20%E5%BD%93%E5%89%8D.zip
dr|z3d
thanks NarratorZ
NarratorZ
This time will be normal
dr|z3d
perfect
NarratorZ
I'll translate the glossary when I have time
dr|z3d
well, I say perfect, good enough. I need to fixup the html because you saved the page instead of viewing the source, no worries.
dr|z3d
things like -> href="I2P+%20%E5%BD%93%E5%89%8D%EF%BC%9A1.9_files/i2p+_002.css"
dr|z3d
for future reference, you just want to download the webpage only to ensure you keep the source html intact, or just view the source on the page and copy and paste that into a new document.
NarratorZ
🤣️，Considering that I only needed to translate the text, I didn't download all the assets.
dr|z3d
yeah, but when you download the page in the browser, it mangles the html.
NarratorZ
How about SingleFile extensions?
dr|z3d
if it's html and you're using the "download page" feature of the browser, then it _may_ mangle the html. if you save as a single file, instead of saving the entire page with assets, then you might get an exact copy of the remote page.
dr|z3d
still some borkage which I'm in the process of fixing, but this is where we're currently at: skank.i2p/index_zh.html
NarratorZ
👏️🙌️👐️🙏️ 👍️
senpaiNikolai
uhh are we going to get localization also for the website? nice
dr|z3d
yeah, senpaiNikolai,. NarratorZ has been super helpful with the chinese console translation, too. I think we're at almost 100% coverage for the console itself.
senpaiNikolai
chinese? that's good
dr|z3d
senpaiNikolai: did you manage to update to -13+ ?
senpaiNikolai
I downloaded it
senpaiNikolai
now I only have to restart
dr|z3d
ok. plenty of new sites to explore on /home when you do.
senpaiNikolai
see u in 5 min if everything doesn't break
dr|z3d
not least planeta.i2p which is a great news aggregation site.
dr|z3d
NarratorZ: ok, buffed and polished. skank.i2p/index_zh.html
senpaiNikolai
okke now version is -13+
senpaiNikolai
nice
dr|z3d
*thumbs up*
dr|z3d
can't voice you until you've registered your nick, breeezer.
dr|z3d
> can't voice you until you've registered your nick, breeezer.
dr|z3d
-ChanServ- breeeezer is not registered.
RN
no need dr. All they are doing is posting the name of their channel in multiple other channels.
dr|z3d
breezer seems quite civil, at least in private.
dr|z3d
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt :)
RN
perhaps.
dr|z3d
maybe he's just new on IRC.. breezer, stop spamming channels!
RN
been away for some years. Seems fine.
dr|z3d
breezer: ./msg nickserv register yourpassword for your breezer acct.
senpaiNikolai
time to shutdown again the poor router to let it rest
senpaiNikolai
see u guys in a week or less, I hope