#i2p-dev (irc2p) | 2.10.0-10-rc | Network status http://zzz.i2p/topics/3714 | See important notes on zzz.i2p before updating | New beta site please review http://g5hrmnatotkavda5nnalr74ecvu44vigutrcb7h3qbrmsfdmoora.b32.i2p/ | Prop. 169 review Feb. 10, 8 PM UTC #ls2

orignal so you always use LS from NS packet

zzz correct

orignal implemented that way

eyedeekay zzz re: transifex vs weblate for the time being I am neutral which I interpret as a second staybehind vote

eyedeekay Freeze day as long as all is shipshape with launchpad

zzz havent tested launchpad yet but any changes won't affect tagged strings

zzz there are no new strings; I'll make an announcement on transifex. Deadline Fri. 2/6 5 PM UTC OK?

zzz eyedeekay, gitea uptime has been horrendous lately; can you and StormyCloud take some time to try and fix it for good?

dr|z3d No brainer, assuming you get buy-in from StormyCloud. github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate

zzz dr|z3d, what is StormyCloud's interest in the translation infrastructure?

StormyCloud I actually would vote for H20 to do all the translations. Keep it spicy

dr|z3d hosting.

dr|z3d LOL

dr|z3d As for gitea, the way I see it, you have a couple of options. 1) stop hosting it on clearnet, redirect to github.

zzz we won't be hosting, we will be on weblate's servers hosted.weblate.org

dr|z3d 2. mirror the github repos on gitea, use github as canonical source.

eyedeekay 5 UTC on the 6th is fine, revising the gitea setup is on my list, I'll try to get everything it needs done tonight

dr|z3d if StormyCloud wants to host weblate, why not? better control over everything then.

dr|z3d no reliance on 3rd partys, i2p.net and .i2p presence.

zzz dr|z3d, 1) why? 2) We want to go where the translators are, and that's where Loc. Lab is moving them

dr|z3d spurious argument, zzz :)

dr|z3d the translators aren't "there", they're in their browser. they can be anywhere. and I doubt the translators are fixated on a single hostname.

zzz the gitlab/gitea saga over years tells me that hosting services isn't our core strength

zzz dr|z3d, it's not spurious at all

dr|z3d panto time! :)

dr|z3d on a shared platform, you

dr|z3d 're lost in the noise.

dr|z3d on a dedicated, self-hosted platform, you're a shining beacon.

dr|z3d translate.i2p.net

zzz not true because there's registration required

zzz people sign up and then look for what other projects they want to help out on

dr|z3d easy, simple.

StormyCloud Or we just use ML and focus on other things

dr|z3d yeah, zzz, but no. you're assuming that's the case, but you have zero actual evidence. I've heard that before, 99% of users won't do X etc. :)

zzz weblate has ML fill-in, just like transifex

zzz you're proposing a huge amount of work based on zero evidence

zzz even if we wanted to selfhost, we'd start on hosted.weblate.org and then move later if we wanted to

StormyCloud If weblate has ML fill-in then we move to weblate (they can host it, less on us) we fill it in 100% and if there are corrections the translators can do that.

dr|z3d I think Stormy's got a point, however. ML, or better still, AI translation means the only thing you have to maintain is corrections.

zzz and I do have evidence. I see how many of our new translators are already translating Tor or other privacy-type projects

dr|z3d "build it they will come"

dr|z3d *** grins. ***

zzz you still need tools to process all the various formats, .po, etc.

dr|z3d how do you think I've got 100% coverage over all 30 provided languages in +?

zzz y'all are the ones throwing around ideas w/o any experience in managing all this for 10+ years

dr|z3d I can go from 0 to 100% in less than a day.

StormyCloud dr|z3d: dont be coy you speak all those languages we know you are H20

dr|z3d witness our tibetan translation.

dr|z3d *** chuckles. ***

eyedeekay Tag day seems a terrible time to litigate this, how about we discuss this after the 6th?

zzz I also did skim the weblate hosting admin docs, they are enormous and intimidating. Even the user docs are a lot, that's why we're gonna let Loc. Lab lead us

eyedeekay Fwiw I don't want to host more stuff right now

zzz there's nothing to litigate. hosting weblate is a fantasy side quest with no purpose

zzz changing subjects then, eyedeekay, I've been skimming your go-streaming project, last time I looked it was empty but guess you pushed it recently

zzz looks pretty complete, does it work?

eyedeekay I agree it would be another time sink

eyedeekay Yeah took a long time making it do anything and there are some rough edges but it works at least enough to set up a listener, send it a request, and get something back

eyedeekay Not a lot of sophisticated use or dogfooding yet but I'll have that soon

eyedeekay It exposed a ton of race conditions in go-i2cp

zzz I want to point you to our Local I2CP test stub, you probably don't know about it, it's the perfect tool for testing/tweaking streaming

zzz are you familiar?

eyedeekay No but it sounds helpful, I have been testing against localhost:7654 in java and Go

zzz it has configurable latency and drop % like qdisc. So it gives you repeatable (kinda) results but with real-world or pathalogical conditions

zzz testing with zero latency and drop is a good starting point but not even half the battle

zzz it's just a tiny tiny stub of the router-side I2CP ClientManager. There's no router there at all

eyedeekay repeatable and predictable would be nice, I have been doing e2e testing on the real network to involve real conditions but it can be flaky and conditions can sometimes be obscure

eyedeekay Some ability to do control them would be helpful

zzz one sec for the howto

zzz ooh it also has configurable jitter so you can get a ton of out-of-order delivery

zzz anyway

zzz ant buildTest

zzz java -cp build/routertest.jar net.i2p.router.client.LocalClientManager -?

zzz to the I2CP client side it looks like a real router

zzz so you can connect a client and server, you could have i2ptunnel CLI on one side and your client or server on the other, or both

zzz one other thing, and this is way underdocumented, but we do 0-RTT delivery both in the SYN and with packets after the SYN

zzz you don't want to send a RESET on an unknown conn ID, as they may just be out-of-order with the SYN.

zzz basic impl is just drop them; better impl is queue them and then process after you get the SYN

zzz I can add a paragraph about it to the spec

StormyCloud lmk when you push zzz so I can update beta site

zzz speaking of, where are you guys at, I haven't looked in a while

StormyCloud Ready for you, specs/api are 1:1

zzz ok will take a peek. what about the redirector testing?

zzz Also, you said you have some generated mapping/redirection of old to new URIs. Is that implemented in the server or the redirector?

StormyCloud Ill talk to eyedeekay offline today to lock down a day

StormyCloud Mapping is done on redirector/geti2p.net server

StormyCloud I sent a message earlier today, but I was also able to get mac built and signed if we wanted to include that in the 2.11 release

dr|z3d if you're doing macOs, you'll need to include the wrapper stuff. missing.

StormyCloud not missing

dr|z3d for Arm?

StormyCloud Silcon is arm right?

StormyCloud Either way built on silicon, updated icon pack, updated so I2P opens in task bar vs dock. Got signed and approved by apple so no gatekeeper issues

dr|z3d Silcon? I dunno, I just know that someone mentioned the wrapper files were missing for macOS/Arm, but maybe I'm behind the wrapper curve.

dr|z3d ok, if it runs via the wrapper, great. as you were.

zzz are you using all the zlatinb packaging stuff with auto-update and everything?

eyedeekay Zzz yes it's i2p-jpackags-mac

zzz ooh fantastic, StormyCloud finally solved whatever stumbling block you and echelon were stuck on for 3 years?

zzz with attestation or whatever it's called?

StormyCloud Updated repo yesterday, going to investigate adding to mac store this evening

StormyCloud Yes, apple moved to notarization system that scans the package for virus or malware.

zzz can we get some beta testing first? put it up somewhere?

zzz notarization, that's it. What was the magic fix?

StormyCloud Yeah, Ill upload 2.10 build when I get home and put in i2p-chat

zzz put it here too

StormyCloud I have a organization developer account but otherwise it was just cleaning the repo and updating tools since its been stale for a few years

zzz yeah but echelon was stuck on the notarization failing and couldn't figure it out. that's all you did?

zzz y'all please fix gitssh so I can review the website and jpackage and and and...

zzz StormyCloud, I can think of a few cases where we'll want the old-to-new URL mapping to be in the server, not the redirector

StormyCloud I made some small improvements, what echelon probably ran into was signing. Took me a few tries to get it accepted

StormyCloud Apple is picky

StormyCloud @zzz I agree Im going to work on that especially once geti2p expires

zzz 1) if we manage to change the geti2p DNS; 2) some google shenanigans with canonical; 3) if people change their url hostnames only from geti2p to i2p

zzz so not sure it can wait until expiration, but maybe it's ok? think about it

dr|z3d ideally you want redirection asap, so the search engines pick up the new urls.

dr|z3d (before the domain expires)

zzz seems like you could take the mapping and just jam it into some sever config

StormyCloud Well if we migrate to the new site it gives google 2 months to update the URLS. There is a process you can submit a domain name change so that should be fine. I plan to bid on the domain when/if it expires so nobody can nab it

dr|z3d lol. "just jam it".

zzz is the redirector doing 301 or 307 or 308?

dr|z3d permanently moved, right, StormyCloud? aka 301.

StormyCloud yes 301

zzz you might want to start with 307 (temporary) in case of f-ups, and then change it back to 301 after a little while

zzz esp. since I think you said you generated the mapping table with AI? unless you reviewed and/or tested every entry

StormyCloud No there are thousands of links, but most links are pretty easy to determine what it links to. EG blog posts, specs, etc

StormyCloud But roger on 307

zzz up to you, just noting 301 can be dangerous

StormyCloud Ill do 307 during the test and once we decide to go live Ill switch to 301

dr|z3d just use a fallback catchall that runs a search query if nothing found.

zzz re: mac, lets decide late next week if the 2.11 jpackage will be official or beta or what.

dr|z3d (instead of a 404)

zzz do you want to put the 2.10 release beta up as a torrent and http download, and update the mac news and test auto-update from the last zab release to yours?

StormyCloud *thumbs up*

StormyCloud Already in place @dr|z3d

dr|z3d good boy *pat pat*

zzz also for 2.11 make sure you switch everything to whatever the right java version is, I assume it was >= 17 already, but double-check, should be the same as whatever the windows jpackage version eyedeekay is using

zzz so just coordinate on it

StormyCloud Roger that, I think it used v21 but Ill make sure its same as eyedeekay version.

zzz 25 is latest GA but I don't know if eyedeekay has been keeping up

eyedeekay Bundle has been switching to latest every release

eyedeekay Part of the CI/CD now

zzz ok just make sure mac side is doing the same thing

zzz StormyCloud, one more usecase for server side redirects: 4) in-net site

zzz StormyCloud, I don't see a RSS feed for the blog on the new site, would you please add one (low priority)

dr|z3d he's been told. :)

dr|z3d *** pokes StormyCloud in the anonymities. ***

StormyCloud created issue so I dont forget

dr|z3d don't forget the 404. tubgirl is probably about right.

dr|z3d *** hides. ***

zzz StormyCloud, the 3 tunnel specs need to be moved from legacy to specs section. I'd move the ElGamal/AES one too

StormyCloud 404 already there I think it looks quite cute

zzz StormyCloud, please review every doc in the Overview, Applications, and Guides sections, none appear to be 1:1, and they are all html source so you can just take them as-is

StormyCloud Per are convo you said specs/api 1:1

zzz we had add'l convo about all the html docs under site/docs/, and how many of them are canonical

zzz not just site/docs/api

zzz many of them are essentially specs, just were never converted to .rst

zzz you can do it the easy way, just copy over the html, maybe some css tweaks, done and done

zzz why kill yourself back-converting html back to .md ?

StormyCloud overview, apps ,guides have had improvements done to them but if you would like me to just copy overview/apps to 1:1 I will do that.

dr|z3d we need to put zzz in the picture, Stormy..

dr|z3d zzz: picture -> youtube.com/watch?v=JeNS1ZNHQs8

dr|z3d zzz's probably already got the shades.

zzz yeah the AI convrsion has swallowed 90% of the content in several cases

zzz some are standalone specs or guides, some are overview companions to associated specs

zzz some of the larger and more important ones: garlic routing, theat model, naming/addressbook, netdb, profiling, transport layer, bittorrent, embedding, ...

StormyCloud kk

zzz thanks ))

StormyCloud git moving a bit slow to sync up my computer but This will be done by EOD

zzz I'm having no git luck at all

eyedeekay OK I was hoping to avoid reboots until the end of the day but I'm going to bite the bullet and reboot the git server

eyedeekay I don't think I can fix it while it's running

eyedeekay Same as before-before, git diff operations taking up all CPU for a few minutes during the 503s

dr|z3d clearnet?

eyedeekay Not exclusively no

dr|z3d also, and I've said this before. make github canonical, just map it for git push/pull in the console so it goes over i2p. less maintenance burden, more robust access.

dr|z3d no downtime, very little in the way of disruption to existing workflows.

StormyCloud Just to add, our github (I2P) was upgraded to a teams plan so we can add more people, more storage, compute, etc. If we go that direction. I am going to work with @eyedeekay tonight to see if I can ping whats happening

zzz StormyCloud, re: mac jpackage autoupdate test, you're not an authorized update signer, so you'll have to pass the dmg to me or eyedeekay to create the su3

zzz for at least a couple releases. we can check in your signing cert now though if you have it

StormyCloud I’m away from my PC when I get back I’ll ping you

zzz StormyCloud, or, if you want to reuse your reseed cert, I can copy it over for updates. Doesn't matter

zzz it still has 8 years before expiration

StormyCloud I would rather use my gpg key to sign packages if I can. That way git and signing are all using the same key. If that is possible

zzz won't work StormyCloud it has to be a X.509 key for su3. The su3 format is what it is

zzz there should be an su3 signing flow in the i2p.jpackage scripts somewhere. But as I said we'll have to do it manually this time

zzz this is for the in-net update only. For new installs, yeah, it's GPG sign with the sig file on the website

eyedeekay Ok git's back up with fixes, I have not observed the git diff CPU DOS since it came back up

zzz eyedeekay, in go-streaming, you have a stream.go.backup file checked in inadvertently