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interesting thread on a guy trying to be his own postman + eche|on i2pforum.i2p/viewtopic.php?p=3065
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eche|on didn't quite realize what he was asking for...
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eyedeekay, thanks for the MR review last week, but if you could pick up the review pace that would be great, your posted deadline is looming
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eche|on, can you raise the logged-in cookie timeout on i2pforum.i2p? It seems to only last about 15 minutes which is really annoying
eyedeekay
psi did something which supposedly works for in net mail which is mostly self configuring github.com/majestrate/bdsmail but I have never tried it
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I will do the rest of the pending reviews today
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thanks
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some are draft but still would appreciate a look
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here's my status stats.i2p/docs/roadmap-2.6-zzz.html
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acutally let me undraft the snark one now
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hadn't heard of bdsmail, interesting. The forum guy has his server of choice already, thought there was some magic gateway out there waiting for him
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didn't sound like he cared about in-net server-to-server
eyedeekay
Thanks re: status
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eyedeekay, see my comment on your forum post on the 2.6 schedule re: dev updates, they need to be at an in-net url for automation to work I think
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and a full howto would be helpful
eyedeekay
Sure I can set up an in-net URL for it and write a howto
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and if you're building every rev why are we tagging the -x revs? or are there two tracks, one for every rev and one for tagged ones?
eyedeekay
The tagged ones are to make it easier to keep track of what I'm using when I do dev builds of anything that depends on the artifacts we upload to Maven. I don't have 2 tracks set up but it's <3 lines of config to set up so I'm going to do that
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super. the goal is to up the number of people testing, so let's push through with howtos and posts everywhere to make it happen
eyedeekay
Sure, I'll get some of those going and/or published soon
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it would take some more automation, but you could even set up separate signed news feeds and stuff the git revs or history diffs into a <pre> in a news feed entry and have it all just automatic
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so every rev or every tag is a news entry and a new su3
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I'm inching my way toward exactly that, using i2p.firefox and i2p.android.base to try things like setting up alternate signing keys and newsfeed generation from git log for the buildbots before I move them up to i2p.i2p
eyedeekay
Right now buildbot-identifying-signing-keys is the key todo for i2p.android.base CI/CD
eyedeekay
Once I figure that out I'll be able to do su3's with similar buildbot-identifying-keys
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?? what is identifying-keys about?
eyedeekay
Giving signed builds created by bots keys that say buildbot-maintainer@mail.i2p or something instead of my release keys
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but then users would have to add the pubkey certs for those to certificates/, right?
eyedeekay
Yes but IMO they should, both because I don't think I should keep my release keys online on the server, and because if one or the other set of keys got stolen it would be possible to revoke one at a time
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to do it right, you'd sign the buildbot keys with your release keys, and we fixup the sig verification to handle ssl cert chains
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your news servers have your news privkeys on them, so just do the update signing there too?
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or have a signing service on a different machine?
eyedeekay
No they don't actually, I sign in a VM on my laptop and upload static artifacts
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I don't see how having the buildbot sign the su3 is magically secure if you hand it some unique signing key
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the way su3 works you're just signing a hash, so there's not a lot of data going back and forth, if you do it right
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seems like "identifying keys" solves nothing though?
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My thinking is that servers suspected of being part of our infra are potentially targeted, so leaving sensitive things on them is maybe not good
eyedeekay
Up to this point my keys have never been on a device which is always online or out of my physical control/possession, like 99% of the time the device they're on isn't plugged in.
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CI in general seems to expose a lot of attack surface, so that server makes me especially cautioud
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sure, I get that part, but if you put a different privkey on the CI and then ask our users to trust that key, nothing has changed, right?
eyedeekay
Yes nothing has changed, the only advantage is that we can delete one key at a time
eyedeekay
And I should be able to stay online from now on...
eyedeekay
Actual cert chains are an interesting idea esp in light of plugins, might like to have one root key and sub-keys for dev builds, newsfeeds, plugins, reseed etc
eyedeekay
Well that and that they don't trust the dev build key by default, so it can only be used by people who opt-in to updates
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We could even give people a switch "enable dev builds" which copies the key from some inert location in the base dir to the appropriate certificates/*/ directories
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I think it makes more sense to just build the zip on the CI server, then have some automation to copy it over and create the su3 on your laptop and push it to the news servers