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                        zzz
                    
                    
                        test results:
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        I see some SSU2 addresses with mtu=1500, not necessary, that is the default
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        I see some SSU addresses on i2pd routers with mtu=1480, not right, should be rounded down to mod 16 = 0, 1472
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        failures since 8:20 PM eastern last night:
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                             15 ImQCa~
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                             13 k8vhnd
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                              7 CEFnjX
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                              4 ~GIB3b
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                              3 gpUBQf
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                              3 bAU~6X
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                              1 xZ9nsA
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                              1 kyY2Tx
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                              1 iNmqNX
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        ImQC is publishing 1500 and failing frequently
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        ditto k8vh
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        the others do not appear to be publishing mtu
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        eot
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        ImQC appears to have a he.net address
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I will fix it for SSU1
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        so the good news is, BpAT and YXEA, formerly top of the list, no longer have the issue
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        ImQC might be on windows
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        and we don't detect mtu proprely there
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        need to inverstigate
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        that sounds right, because ImQC is 2001:470:: and is publishing 1500. k8vh has the same issue
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        but k8vh is not 2001:470
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        we will check
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        fixed mtu
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        for SSU1
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        is it going to be a lot of work to detect MTU on Windows?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        it should work
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        we need to check we it doesn't
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        maybe it's not windows
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        mtu=
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        ^D1472
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        for cdoF
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        and 1480 for SSU2
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        the k8vh IP address 2a06:a004:: also appears to be a IPv6 tunnel broker:  ipinfo.io/AS61138/2a06:a004::/36 
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        same as MNcW
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        and also publishes 1500?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        MNcW depends on mode
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I use wireguard
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        k8vh is publishing 1500. MNcW publishing 1420
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        right but as I said you can choose mode
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        there
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        ok
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        deavmi also uses wireguard with 1420
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        strange you didn't see such MTU before
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        I'm looking at SSU2
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I will tell him
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        to update
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        clearly there's an MTU detection issue on ImQC and k8vh
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        but what if interface really publishes 1500?
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        k8vh is updated because it's publishing 1500 for SSU2
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        think
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        then it's a buggy driver?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        no
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        a tunnel comes to router
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        but i2pd runs on some box in LAN
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        then it's a PMTU issue
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        and get ipv6 from router from it's range
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        what MTU would you detect?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I guess 1500
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        well, we have PMTU detection and adjustment up/down based on retransmissions and acks
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        how do you do it?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        in two words
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        but right now, the SSU2 handshake sends the session confirmed using the advertised MTU
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I don't know how to resolve this issue yet
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        so we could change it to send session confirmend with minimum MTU 1280 to be "safe", and then do PMTU adjustment later
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        can't do it in 2 words ))
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        not a bad idea
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I think that's where 1472 came from
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        and that's how SSU1 worked
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        but that's for later discussion. For now, let's find out if there's MTU detection bugs on ImQC and k8vh
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I don't think so
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        ok, but lets find out for sure
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        is it a MTU bug or a PMTU issue
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I will change it to 1480/1472 max
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        I do have special-case code to set local HE addresses to 1472 max, no matter what the OS says. I could do the same for the route48.org addresses
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        orignal, FYI we banned that router building all the tunnels that dr|z3d mentioned yesterday - you may see some impact on i2pd, or maybe not
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        I'll try to figure out MTU for HE.net on windowsn
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        thanks R4SAS 
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        what was with that router?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I will implement the code for tunnels
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        re: router, it was all explained yesterday, see 24 hours above ^^^
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        just giving you a heads up in case it gets worse for i2pd
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I know the discusssion
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        but what's with this router?
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        if you have more questions please ask drz or obscuratus, they did the research
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        but what the problem exatcly?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        too many tunnel build requests?
                    
                
                
                    
                        obscuratus
                    
                    
                        orignal: To recap... This router was generating a storm of tunnel building.  If you didn't implement limits, a single router might see 100s participating tunnel build requests from this one router.
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        elgamal or ecies?
                    
                
                
                    
                        obscuratus
                    
                    
                        Encryption Key:ECIES_X25519
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        then why is it a problem?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        it doesn't consume too much cpu
                    
                
                
                    
                        obscuratus
                    
                    
                        For my part, I had to degrade my routers service by imlementing tunnel limits.  If I didn't, my router would crash.
                    
                
                
                    
                        obscuratus
                    
                    
                        And this one router would crowd out other legimate tunnel requests.
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        the question is
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        how can they manage to produce so many requests?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        if they are real
                    
                
                
                    
                        obscuratus
                    
                    
                        If I had to guess, they had a custom router build of some kind.
                    
                
                
                    
                        obscuratus
                    
                    
                        Oddly, I never saw an OBEP or IBGW, just participating tunnels.  Dozens of them.
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I mean how much cpu they use on their side
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        huh? so you know what's inside that record?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        it means they encrypt it properly
                    
                
                
                    
                        obscuratus
                    
                    
                        The traffic through each tunnel was pretty low, usually 20-40k over the life of a given tunnel.  I never tried to examine the traffic to check if it was encrypted properly.
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        since you know that your are a aprticipating tunnel
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        it means you are able to decypt your record
                    
                
                
                    
                        obscuratus
                    
                    
                        I never saw any glaring errors in my logs, so that seems like a good assumption.
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        that means they have to do encryption job oon their side
                    
                
                
                    
                        obscuratus
                    
                    
                        Also, the originating IP address of this router was changing.  Rotating through several VPN addresses.
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        maybe Turkmen?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        they keep using several VPNs
                    
                
                
                    
                        obscuratus
                    
                    
                        According to eyedeekay, it was a provider called "Clouvider".  Most of the vpn out points were in Europe.
                    
                
                
                    
                        eyedeekay
                    
                    
                        That was just based on running whois against the IP addresses which were listed in dev yesterday
                    
                
                
                    
                        eyedeekay
                    
                    
                        But yes, Clouvider, which is a corporation based in the UK
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        windows MTU: I see 1492 on my windows box with Ethernet connection to router
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        VirtualBox creates interfaces woth 1500
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        somewhere in internet I see reports that they have 1280 on 6to4 adapters
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        PPPoE has 1480
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        orignal: hmm... GetMTUWindowsIpv6
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        huh?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        idk
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I didn't write this code
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        we already check interface MTU on windows
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        anyway let's recognize tunnel brokers by IP
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        yes I know
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        maybe we do it worng
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        nobody cared before
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        what for?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        aboout HE mtu on windows
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        it must be 1480
                    
                
                
                    
                        dr|z3d
                    
                    
                        Clouvider provides services to HideMeVPN afaik.
                    
                
                
                    
                        dr|z3d
                    
                    
                        do you do any part tunnel request throttling, orignal?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        no
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        because I'm fine with it
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        nope
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                          1280                5          0          0  IP6Tunnel
                    
                
                
                    
                        dr|z3d
                    
                    
                        ok, just curious. I think that specific router may have been spiking at several thousand part tunnel requests at various times.
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        R4SAS it's default value
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        nope, I just tried to add tunnel to HE
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        dr|z3d it's not a problem for us really
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        x25519 is really fast
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        and system set that MTU automatically
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        sure it's system rather than i2pd's?
                    
                
                
                    
                        dr|z3d
                    
                    
                        could be an early warning sign of network abuse
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        ???
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I doubt that that router is doing a network abuse
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        where do you 1280?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        if ipconfig or in i2pd?
                    
                
                
                    
                        R4SAS
                    
                    
                        >netsh interface ipv6 show subinterfaces
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        then windows is fine ))
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        zzz do we also publish mtu for SSU1 ipv4?
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        or it's for ipv6 only?
                    
                
                
                    
                        dr|z3d
                    
                    
                        > <zzz> you must, of course, publish non-default MTU for ipv4 also
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        that's for SSU2
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I'm asking about SSU1
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I remeber it was a reson to not publish mtu for ipv4
                    
                
                
                    
                        dr|z3d
                    
                    
                        ok, nothing explict I can see regarding SSU1 for MTU publication.
                    
                
                
                    
                        dr|z3d
                    
                    
                        (in the backlog)
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        it's long story
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        since I see in the code
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I publish mtu for ipv6 addresses only
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        no 2RRY in the list because it crashed ))
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        orignal, yes, of course, ipv4 SSU 1 also
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        since 0.9.2 2012
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        then why I set it for ipv6 only?
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        ipv6 can never be the default because it's mod 16 = 0
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        ipv4 is mod 16 = 12, with a default 1484
                    
                
                
                    
                        zzz
                    
                    
                        why you don't set it for non-default, only you can say
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        idk either
                    
                
                
                    
                        orignal
                    
                    
                        I will change it