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orignal R4SAS тут тема с I2CP для ведра возникла

orignal надо обсудить

orignal zzz how does I2CP on android work? Through TCP/IP or local sockets?

zzz we use local sockets, but those only work between apps by the same developer

orignal what do you use for torrents?

orignal TCP/IP?

zzz we don't have an android torrent app

orignal like Vuze

orignal or how it's called now

zzz I don't think Bigly supports I2P on android.

zlatinb if it does it would be with internal router

orignal Turkmen complained torrents don't work ))

orignal <BiglyBt> HidUser0: как заставить адроид клиент скачивать через i2pd ?вот это проблема

orignal <BiglyBt> orignal: ты говорил что ничего больше не нужно

orignal what andorid client is he talking about?

orignal zzz however do you think it's worth to implement I2CP for android with an access through TCP/IP from LAN?

zzz we've had a lot of debates

zzz we used local sockets for security

zzz but now the permissions problems

zzz we now have SAM in there, but I don't think it's secure either

orignal what's a problem to run a server?

orignal just curious

zzz the thing about local sockets is it will fire an intent to start the router

orignal I know I2CP uses local sockets only

orignal and SAM is always capable to run SAM on any address

zzz the concern is any random app creating tunnels and you don't know

orignal so the question is why I2CP is different

orignal agree

orignal but it's you choice to allow it explictly

orignal in config

zzz right, it doesn't all make sense, if I2CP is bad then SAM is bad

zzz I've had some disagreements with eyedeekay about it

orignal the point is

zzz but he's in charge of android now

orignal if somebody runs a torrent client on PC

orignal and i2p on a phone

orignal borat__ seems to have this istuation

orignal and I see the point

zzz that's not a use case we were ever trying to support

orignal you migh have an internet access on your phone but not on PC

zzz even with SAM, it's bound to 127.0.0.1

orignal yes, by fault

orignal but in i2pd I can bing to 0.0.0.0

orignal *bind

orignal if I want to

zzz sure, but we don't support that on android

orignal probably should do the same for I2CP

orignal I know

zzz Blinded message

orignal that's why I'm asking if it's worth or not

zzz we've never, ever, thought about the use case "my only internet is on my phone"

zzz maybe that's common in some countries? I have no idea

orignal but it's real case

orignal if you mobile operator forbids sharing

orignal you might want to run i2p on your phone

zzz if you do it (either for SAM or I2CP), you should do it over SSL, and require username/password

orignal why? if it's in my llan

orignal I know all devices in my lan

zzz it's on your lan until you walk out of the house with your phone...

zzz if you bind to 0.0.0.0

orignal ofc I'm not going to walk with it

zzz but your users will

orignal my users will not be able to turn it on

zzz and even while at home, binding to 0.0.0.0 will bind to the cellular IP also

orignal unless they understand what ther are doing

orignal yes, that's the case

orignal let me think

zzz maybe SSL is overkill, but username/password I think is required

orignal going yo add tls support anywaya

zzz good idea, but of course the selfsigned certs is a pain

zzz username/password for both I2CP and SAM are easy if you don't have it supported yet

zzz wouldn't it be easier to use phone as wifi hotspot and run router and bittorrent on the PC?

orignal mobile operator might forbig it

orignal to share mobile connection though wifi

orignal for example MTS-Russia on some plans

zzz ok

zlatinb so how does the pc connect to the phone in the first place?

orignal wifi I guess but without internet

orignal so you can connect to your phone to 192.168.

orignal but not further

zlatinb but then wouldn't the phone try to use internet over wifi and not over network?

orignal not sure

zlatinb BiglyBT does run on Android, on their site it says they're in the Goolge Play store

orignal the phone sees mobile internet

orignal you share connection over wifi

orignal but it doesn't work for devices

zzz I know bigly is on android. I don't know if the i2p plugin works on android

orignal because oprator checks TTL

orignal interesting qeustion

orignal HidUser0 is checking now

zlatinb no reason it shouldn't work, if it's just a router

zzz I don't know if they support android plugins at all. that's one possible reason

orignal zlatinb they check TTL in TCP headers

orignal and recognize how many hops between them and device

orignal to bypass it you must apply special kernel patch

orignal if we are talking about i2p plugin

orignal how does it communicate with router through I2CP?

zlatinb internal queue

orignal if it's built in

orignal but what if it's external?

zlatinb I imagine the BiglyBT plugins stay inside the process

orignal hmmm

orignal and what I should do?

zlatinb 1st question is does BiglyBT on Android support I2P plugin at all, then 2) does it give an option to use external router

zlatinb if 2 is no, then they will need to edit config files manually and even that may not work

orignal that's what we are trying to find out

zzz external router won't work because of local socket permissions, different developer

zlatinb does the client in i2p.jar also use local sockets on android?

zzz yeah there's some shenanigans and reflection to use local sockets

zzz if (SystemVersion.isAndroid() &&

zzz _options.getProperty(PROP_DOMAIN_SOCKET) != null) {

zzz try {

zzz Class<?> clazz = Class.forName("net.i2p.client.DomainSocketFactory");

zlatinb not much can be done then unless parg has disabled that property

orignal then how gostcoin for android works? It's SAM

orignal R4SAS короче я думаю надо локальный сокеты I2CP для ведра выпилить и сделать как везде

WebClient77 в СНГ у людей полно старых ТВ стиков. Какие то не тянут все кодеки, какие то устарели, у кого то погорел порт HDMI и можно пользоваться только тюльпанами. И на такие тоже можно ставить i2p. В общем i2p

WebClient77 Android с SAM и I2CP - nice to have

R4SAS orignal: какие сокеты

R4SAS у нас нет их

orignal есть

orignal посмотри сам в I2CP.h ))

orignal #ifdef ANDROID

orignal typedef boost::asio::local::stream_protocol proto;

orignal #else

orignal typedef boost::asio::ip::tcp proto;

orignal #endif

R4SAS аа

R4SAS я уже не помню что делали так

R4SAS это ради ботэ вроде делалось