~dr|z3d
@RN
@T3s|4
@T3s|4_
@eyedeekay
@orignal
@zzz
+Hikari
+Minogami
+Unbur
+Xeha
+acetone
+profetikla
+snex
+uop23ip
+weko
An0nm0n
Arch
DeltaOreo
FreefallHeavens
Gid
Irc2PGuest13871
Irc2PGuest2974
Leopold
Liorar_
Nausicaa
Onn4l7h
StormyCloudInc
admin
anon
anontor
anu
cheddah
itsjustme_
j6
limak
not_bob_afk
poriori_
qend-irc2p_
u5657
dr|z3d
who cares, orignal? a sizable proportion of Russia, probably.
zzz
StormyCloud, any more insight into the tor decision?
dr|z3d
context, for those following along: stormycloud.org/tor
dr|z3d
tldr: stormy got bored being taken for granted.
dr|z3d
last time I paid attention, Tor were claiming that had more bandwidth capacity than was being used.
zzz
well I hope they don't get bored with us and we continue our financial support
dr|z3d
haven't heard much from stormy lately, but I don't think we're failing to engage when he's about. that seems to be the size of it.
zzz
ok I'll check in and see
dr|z3d
there's a huge push for funding and donations, but I don't think much of that goes into hosting servers. it seems like a slightly odd arrangement. coding aside, the site operators foot most of the bill for running the network.
dr|z3d
for Tor, that is.
dr|z3d
so, you'd think Tor would try to nurture and accommodate the people running their network for free. sounds like they've dropped the ball there.
zzz
I don't think they are set up like that
zzz
but got an incoming DM from s.c.
dr|z3d
Tor would do well to print t-shirts with the message "I run a Tor node, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" :)
zzz
heard back, he's good with us, he'll have a followup post later
dr|z3d
didn't doubt it for a moment :)
dr|z3d
got a susimail thing that probably needs a look..
dr|z3d
we know it strips html from messages..
dr|z3d
which, for the most part, isn't really an issue, until it is, like when you're sent a login link, for example. <a href=foo>Login to X</a>
dr|z3d
what we should be doing is removing the markup and retaining the urls.
dr|z3d
or, simpler still, just offering the option to view the raw mail.
not_bob
There we go.
not_bob
That shirt sounds about right.
not_bob
Running an outproxy is a pretty serious undertaking. I thank StormyCloud for doing this.
not_bob
And, the same thnanks go to the other people who run other outproxies.
dr|z3d
what's fresh, not_bob?
not_bob
eepsites that don't respond on http, a new i2p indexed search engine.
dr|z3d
orignal: your shmoogle buddy around on ilita?
not_bob
I see the uptime on that site is about the same as it has been. Someone turns it on and back off again in a cycle.
RN
probably on when they are working on it since it is under construction
not_bob
Fair point.'
RN
I tried it for a couple search terms... def doesn't work like you'd expect from ddg or similar
not_bob
I've played with it, and it seems to work well enough in my tests.
RN
orignal, do we know if they respect robots.txt?
dr|z3d
either of you two on ilita right now, and if so, is mr shmoogle over there?
dr|z3d
it's an in network engine, RN, not clearnet.
not_bob
I've asked over there.
RN
yeah, I know it is I2P internal
dr|z3d
so nothing like ddg, then :)
dr|z3d
also it's a yacy instance, but that's also pretty obvious.
dr|z3d
not_bob: maybe he's lurking in the shadows.. anyways, have a replacement mascot that's a bit less jewish trope if you want to paste the url there.
not_bob
Yes, that wuld be better.
RN
well, I mean put in a word I knew was on my site and didn't get refs to my site
RN
but if they are respecting robots, then I shouldn't expect much to show up on there
RN
and yes, also lurking about over there
dr|z3d
shmoogle, shmeigel.
not_bob
lol
not_bob
That's funny.
RN
heheh
RN
how much you get for the product placement Dr?
dr|z3d
you being the product, RN? :)
not_bob
It appears to likely not bother with robots.txt
dr|z3d
oh
not_bob
This is from the response orignal gave to the question.
RN
yeah, I think that might have been tounge in cheek
not_bob
Hard to say. I did think it was funny.
RN
приподнимать щеку is indeed hard to say
RN
;)
dr|z3d
you mean apple.
dr|z3d
my bad.
not_bob
I still have trouble saying many russian words :(
dr|z3d
for a moment I thought you were suggesting I was gollum.
not_bob
Но не все из них!
not_bob
Smaller words are much easier.
RN
haven't tried to pronounce out loud at all... I just use a handful of translation tools
not_bob
I've been working hard to speak and read.
dr|z3d
what are we talking about now? what was orignal's latest pronouncement?
not_bob
No, just idle chat.
RN
espekin' Rushing
not_bob
lol
RN
😈
not_bob
I love how friendly they are overt here.
not_bob
over there.
RN
yeah, real love thy neighbor vibe.
dr|z3d
and not a hint of sarcasm, not_bob
not_bob
:)
dr|z3d
you pasted that cake url just in case shmoogle is lurking?
orignal
RN not they don't repsect robot.txt at all ))
RN
thanks for the reply. ))
orignal
what did I say?
not_bob
It is frustrating that I ask a few simple questions and it becomes what happened.
RN
confirmation that they don't pay attention to robots.txt
orignal
something insulting at Ilita? ))
not_bob
No, no.
orignal
and intentionally
orignal
he believes no respect to robots.txt in the anonymous network
not_bob
I took what you said as sarcasctic "Well, yeah, no."
not_bob
I can see the argument both ways on that.
not_bob
Bots should respect robots.txt. But, on such a network, why bother?
orignal
RN приподнимать щеку is hard to say but it also means nothing
orignal
try to pronouce взбзднуть ))
RN
I understand the logic of both decisions
not_bob
hahahaha
orignal
apepi is very "special" guy
not_bob
No rudeness was ment in my questions.
RN
haha, text to speech makes взбзднуть sound like bees buzzing around
RN
very difficiult for me to pronounce indeed
orignal
Also I believe everybody has trouble in pronouceent of "ы"
not_bob
That is a special letter.
RN
oooh eeeeeee
not_bob
I love the way it sounds. Most of all how it does not sound the same for every person.
RN
:)
orignal
but what's the pronounciation
orignal
I even can't explain hgow to pronounce it properly ))
not_bob
ohhhh-eeee
not_bob
But, in one quick sound.
orignal
it's like growling
RN
well I am hearing what the internet thinks it should be pronounced like
not_bob
Yes, or a grunt almost.
RN
yeah
orignal
something beteen i and y but hrader
orignal
and it's use veruy often
not_bob
Yes it is.
orignal
like -s in English
orignal
meaning multiple cases
not_bob
Cases make much more sense the more you learn the way Russian works.
orignal
if you need to "few of something" you add "-ы"
orignal
meaning you have to pronounce it often
RN
like Mr PoopyPants on Rick & Morty (but faster)
RN
hehe
RN
I would venture to say that show is doing ok in the new season even after the canceling of one of the main creative contributors
RN
and I mean #canceled kind
not_bob
Ahh, malo is little, not few. I've been using it wrong.
not_bob
I can see some meaning overlap though.
orignal
мало means both few and little
orignal
same word
not_bob
Ok, good. I was rightt hen.
orignal
few litreally "несколько"
orignal
few of something
not_bob
Ahh
not_bob
Thank you.
RN
This is neither Russian or English but is fun to pronounce. popocatepetl
orignal
few not_bobs would be несколько not_bob-ов
orignal
why fun? easy
not_bob
Do we need fewer not_bobs? :)
dr|z3d
at the very least, bots *should* respect any throttle limits in robots.txt
dr|z3d
and by default they shouldn't be hammering a site with multiple requests/s
RN
pronouncing it in Mexican-Spanish
orignal
меньше not_bob-ов then ))
not_bob
lol
orignal
попокатепетл
orignal
easy ))
RN
it is a pretty mountain
orignal
but non_bobs is not_bob-ы
not_bob
I'm not sure if I'm a plural.
orignal
RN can you pronouce Mahachcala?
RN
hehe, no split personality? That's ok that other person on ilita has enough for all of us.
orignal
Russian city was in the news recently
orignal
in context of Jeweish
orignal
huh?
RN
that doesn't look easy
RN
and has some sounds I am not used to making
not_bob
I have spent countless hours trying to practice making the sounds correctly.
not_bob
It is a silly thing to do, honestly. But, it makes me happy.
RN
I know her
not_bob
That breast plate, wow.
orignal
hew?
orignal
her?
dr|z3d
lol
RN
dr's link is her
dr|z3d
one day you'll learn how http links work, orignal :)
RN
not the person with personalities I mentioned
RN
but I would call that person 'it'
RN
shame on me, but it is what it is
dr|z3d
when you do, orignal, ramble.i2p/f/Art/5098/rainbow-moose awaits.
RN
LOL I forgot that moose
dr|z3d
everytime orignal starts trolling, I have that image in mind. can't help it.
RN
maybe you should make a rainbow-troll-moose to knock it out of your mind's eye
dr|z3d
I don't mind it, it's ticklish. :)
not_bob
lol
not_bob
Time for me to go!
RN
alas, I'm also soon to afk
RN
nice seein ya not_bob
RN
and orignal and dr|z3d
not_bob_afk
Good to see you as well!
dr|z3d
laters, !bob
dr|z3d
and RN, if you're also disappearing.
orignal
I appear here rarely anyway
zzz
re: susimail, "removing the markup" == parsing html
zzz
we show the text version in preference to the html version if the mail contains both
zzz
a simpler alternative might be to "linkify" any urls found
dr|z3d
sure, linkifying urls could work, or just making sure that urls aren't culled from the e-mail and are displayed unlinkified. either way, user shouldn't be forced to use a different client or download the email to correctly view the contents.
zzz
linkifying is a feature but disagree required for correctness
dr|z3d
I don't think it's required if we're displaying mails without markup, that's not the issue. but the user should have some method to examine the html, perhaps with a view source toggle.
dr|z3d
receiving an e-mail with "Click here to login" with no way to login is not the greatest experience.
RN
or show the plaintext followed by a list of any links in the html?
zzz
I;m trying something will know in 5 minutes
dr|z3d
if you want a demo of an offending e-mail, supply an i2pmail.org address to clipdrop.co
dr|z3d
which gets me to thinking about a mark as spam option for mails so they go straight to the spam folder once marked, and any from the same domain thereafter.
dr|z3d
*same user@domain sorry, same domain wouldn't be right.
zzz
w00t yeah throwing a js markdown at it looks like an easy winner, did it in 15 minutes