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zzz
ok I have peer test basically working on testnet
zzz
orignal, last week you suggested possibly using a standard noise handshake for messages 5-7
zzz
that won't work, because message 5 may never get through
zzz
so I think we should keep it simple for messages 5-7, out-of-session, like in SSU 1.
zzz
now to my notes on relay from the last week
zzz
1) you said we need a chash in Relay Intro?
zzz
charlie hash?
zzz
Relay Intro is from Bob to Charlie, so I don't understand
orignal
I ddn't suggest just asked
orignal
I said chash must be in relay intro because it's signed by Alice not Bon
orignal
Alice signs bhash and chash and Bob just forward this signature
orignal
so Charlie must include chash
zzz
so you're not saying the message must include chash. You're saying the signature must include chash?
orignal
I said it's mistake in specs
orignal
about Relay Intro
orignal
no chash in signature section that's worng
zzz
So the signature must include chash. got it.
orignal
it must be the same as in Relay Request
zzz
ok
zzz
2) why is relay tag included in Relay Response? shouldn't be necessary, nonce is sufficient
zzz
I think you're right. It's not in SSU 1 Relay Response
orignal
yes, that's my question
orignal
we need only nonce
zzz
should it still be covered by the signature?
orignal
no. why?
orignal
nonce defines relay tag
zzz
ok, will remove it
orignal
e.g. Bob and Alice withh find it by nonce anyway
zzz
agreed
zzz
3) add 'relay tag not found' bob rejection code
zzz
agreed
orignal
shold be the first and main reason
orignal
now, I'm not clear how we fill Charlie's section in thios case
orignal
if Relay Response with error is initiated by Bob
zzz
I'll make it #5, I'm not going to renumber everything
zzz
how about csz = 0 for that case
orignal
fine for me
zzz
4) "endpoint" and flipping ip/port, changing asz/csz from 4 or 16 to 6 or 18 in both peer test and relay
zzz
agreed
zzz
I believe that's everything
zzz
all is changed in the spec and checked in
zzz
I'll make the peer test code changes for 4) probably tomorrow
orignal
6 and 18 should be better
zzz
0) Hi
zzz
ho
zzz
*hi
orignal
hi
eyedeekay
Hi
zzz
happy monday, what's on the list for today?
orignal
I'm ready to talk about SSU2 relays
zzz
ok that's 1)
zzz
2) ssu2 general status
zzz
anything else for the list?
orignal
notbob keeps showing ukraining eepsites as Russian ))
orignal
question to dr|z3d
orignal
*ukrainian
zzz
lol save that for after the meeting
zzz
1) SSU2 relays
orignal
but not to the list, ofc
orignal
I just see him in the users list
orignal
so to this question
orignal
does Bob verify signatures or not?
zzz
I don't think I did it in peer test, no
zzz
let me look
orignal
so only Alice cnd Charlie
orignal
not sure if he should
zzz
one sec
zzz
only alice and charlie in what I did for peer test
zzz
do you think that's right?
orignal
not sure
orignal
if Bob verifys signature in relay request he can just end error back to Alice
orignal
and not buzz Charlie
orignal
while for relay reponse it doesn't make sense at all
orignal
because Alice is waiting for reponse to a nonce
zzz
if it's a bug, we'll find it out anyway. If it's some sort of strange attack, I'm not sure what the point is
orignal
to not magnify it
orignal
and stop it on Bob' level rather then flood Charlie
zzz
we can always add it if we think of a good reason. Doesn't seem that important to me
orignal
I write the code that's why I'm asking
orignal
if we need to verify it
zzz
I say no, but if you say yes we can think and talk about it again next week
orignal
fine
orignal
I will not verify
orignal
for now
zzz
ok for now. we can always change our mind later
zzz
anything else on 1) relays ?
orignal
so Bob find Alice by nonce
orignal
and copy relay response from Charlie
zzz
yes
zzz
that's more-or-less the same as in SSU 1
orignal
oh
orignal
another question
orignal
about relay
orignal
do we support fragmneted RI blocks?
orignal
because we must include it into relay intro
zzz
no, I don't think we want to use RI blocks at all really (fragmented or not), just send i2np database store message
orignal
so if it's too big we use I2NP
zzz
it's a lot easier to do it that way
orignal
should we remove frag field from RI block?
zzz
I'm just using i2np all the time
orignal
RI is simplier and faster for me
zzz
I thought about removing the flag field but I don't think it's worth the trouble to break everything
orignal
since compression is not required
zzz
for only one byte
zzz
sorry *frag field
orignal
but confusion
orignal
use two bytes flags then
zzz
ok
zzz
anything else on 1) relays ?
orignal
but still don't understand if we remove it
orignal
not too much mess in my opinion
zzz
let's leave it in there
orignal
up to you
zzz
ok
zzz
anything else on 1) relays ?
orignal
no
zzz
2) ssu2 general status
zzz
I guess my turn to go first
orignal
yes
zzz
mostly finished in peer test with the testnet
zzz
tomorrow I'm going to change everything to flip ip/port and go to 6/18 sz fields
zzz
and test that
orignal
yes please
zzz
after that, I'll basically be done, but I'm sure there's still plenty of bugs to be found
orignal
I assume it's there already
orignal
for relays
zzz
but it at least works most of the time
orignal
btw, how do you publish iKey?
orignal
sorry iTag
zzz
I have zero code for relay right now. Haven't started
orignal
if you SSU is common for SSU1 and SSU2
orignal
then it's time to talk
orignal
about it
orignal
so, my status
orignal
everything basically works fixed few bugs in ack ranges
orignal
started relays
orignal
ready to start testing but introducers publishing is not done yet
orignal
but my question is different
zzz
you have a guess on when you would be ready to test relays? one week? two?
orignal
if I see your SSU address with introoducers
orignal
and it has "s" and "i" how should I handle it
orignal
this week hopefully
zzz
probably two weeks for me
orignal
let's agree with introducers format
zzz
so I think we decided we were going to publish ihash/itag/iexp only for SSU 2. no ihost/iport/ikey
orignal
as I remeber we are going to use adress instead iHost/iPort
zzz
but I don't think the spec is updated yet
orignal
yes
zzz
looking
orignal
but will you SSU adddress contain both?
zzz
nothing about ihash in there now
orignal
probably you also need iVersion or somthing
zzz
maybe ih, not ihash...
zzz
lol major
orignal
if I read your introducer I need to understand what SSU it is for
orignal
major is acentone's bot ))
zzz
yeah I know. just wondering why he woke up ))
zzz
I understand the question about knowing what it is for
orignal
major means "an agent of some service"
orignal
like police, FBI, FSB, etc.
zzz
ok, so maybe the police told him to join the meeting!
zzz
anyway, let's call the hash ih0, ih1, ih2, ...
orignal
I think bugs in his code ))
orignal
fine
zzz
if you see ih0 you can use it for SSU2
orignal
ih or iH ?
zzz
how does that sound?
orignal
fine for me
zzz
I think they're all lower case
zzz
ih
orignal
no problem
zzz
You're still "ahead" of me on relay, I haven't thought much about it in weeks. I'll catch up this week
orignal
will change my code to recognize SSU2 introdcuers
zzz
now that I can push some of the peer test stuff out of my brain and make some room
orignal
will it's not about "ahead" or not
orignal
it's more about data structures
zzz
yeah, I don't mean like a race
orignal
for peer test still not clear how we recognize our role
zzz
just that you'll be finding problems before I do
orignal
need to look at SSU1 code first
zzz
ok
orignal
ih is 32 bytes in base64, right?
zzz
32 in binary, 44 in base64
orignal
ih but iHost
orignal
different second character
zzz
no SSU1 is ihost, not iHost
orignal
sec
zzz
there's no capitals
zzz
public static final String PROP_INTRO_HOST_PREFIX = "ihost";
zzz
public static final String PROP_INTRO_PORT_PREFIX = "iport";
zzz
public static final String PROP_INTRO_KEY_PREFIX = "ikey";
zzz
public static final String PROP_INTRO_TAG_PREFIX = "itag";
zzz
/** @since 0.9.30 */
zzz
public static final String PROP_INTRO_EXP_PREFIX = "iexp";
orignal
it's fine
orignal
I parse whole string (btw why?)
zzz
dont ask me ((
orignal
maybe it's worse to change to iH?
orignal
in this case second character becomes unique
zzz
or we could do h0, h1, h2
zzz
I don't really care
orignal
no
orignal
must start with i
zzz
ok
orignal
i means "introducer"
orignal
well "ih" is fine
orignal
because SSU1 will be depricated
orignal
sooner or later
zzz
ok
zzz
I'll update the spec
zzz
anything else on 2) ?
orignal
fine
orignal
no
zzz
anything else for the meeting?
orignal
dr|z3d ukrainians are angry ))
orignal
nothing else
zzz
very interesting and long article about Russian and Ukrainian language I read today: nytimes.com/2022/04/22/magazine/ruscism-ukraine-russia-war.html
orignal
how to pronounce "паляница"? ))
orignal
but seriously it's the same language
dr|z3d
orignal: not my fault. not_bob's responsibility. and he's gone AWOL.
orignal
dr|z3d it's bad
orignal
and you can't use red flag instead Russian
orignal
because it's use for Chinesse already ))
dr|z3d
we could just use a picture of lenin. any better? :)
orignal
even worse
orignal
zzz, it's easy recognize Uknrain text. They don't have "ы" but have "i"
dr|z3d
well, poke not_bob when he's around, tell him that cyrillic characters doesn't always equal Russian .
orignal
i and ï
orignal
if you see these characters amopung cyrrilic it's ukrainian
dr|z3d
top tip
orignal
and never "ы" and "э"
orignal
also there is another letter but I don't know how to type it
orignal
looks like "г" but upper part is longer
zzz
The letter that looks like III is in Ukrainian but not Russian, is that right?
orignal
ш?
zzz
oh, it's like a W, not III
orignal
let me check
zzz
need new glasses :)
orignal
one sec
zzz
In passing, the council members referred to the Russian perpetrators by a term of condemnation that every Ukrainian knows, though it is not yet in the dictionaries and cannot (yet) be said in English: “рашизм."
orignal
no, the difference is in pronouciation only
orignal
Russism ?
orignal
why?
zzz
ok so ш is in both but i is only in Ukrainian
orignal
in both
zzz
you have to read the whole long, long, long article to learn about “рашизм."
orignal
I know what is it
dr|z3d
no flies on orignal :)
zzz
so ï is only Ukrainian?
orignal
in russian we normally propnouce "u" in Ru as "U"
orignal
zzz, and French ofc
orignal
but not in Russian
orignal
also no "i"
zzz
blame the french, as usual
dr|z3d
there is no ï in french, orignal
dr|z3d
not last time I checked, anyways.
orignal
so "рашизм" is prononced as "rAshism"
orignal
simply speaking it's an americnism
orignal
dr|z3d really?
orignal
how to say "i" as "i" in "oi" then?
zzz
what I got from the story is if you know two languages your head must hurt all the time
orignal
you must write as "oï"
orignal
luckily I know only one )) but can understand the second ))
zzz
you do just fine
dr|z3d
my bad, orignal, you're right. naïf is a good example. color me naïf.
orignal
no, I means Russian and Ukrainian
dr|z3d
dieresis, technical term.
orignal
I understand Ukrainian but can't speak
R4SAS
:D
R4SAS
to such phrase, I usually add "like a dog"
R4SAS
)))